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To: sparklite2; angry elephant
I think you’ve bought the big lie of the post-WWII Western Left that Nazism is somehow right wing, when it is anything but.

A long quote to support my point:

Although our modern socialists' promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under "communism" and "fascism." As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, "the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."

No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.

-- F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom, 1944

And to be clear, a “liberal of the old type”, “those who really believe in individual freedom” is clearly a modern conservative. Our current Left, who fancy themselves “Liberals” are anything but, and their tacit acceptance of the use of violence to prevent conservative speech on college campuses from people like Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro proves it.

Further, I would argue that anyone marching under the swastika today is anything but “right wing”, though the media paints them as such for political reasons. A close examination of their beliefs should make this clear.

54 posted on 10/16/2017 5:10:30 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster
And to be clear, a “liberal of the old type”, “those who really believe in individual freedom” is clearly a modern conservative. Our current Left, who fancy themselves “Liberals” are anything but,

Exactly, these arguments about Communism/Fascism/left/right really shouldn't exist in a European context relative to America. Left and right, when defined within a system based on individual freedom and individual rights take on a very different meaning than in the European context of governmental supremacy. We're arguing apples and oranges, though I acknowledge the European leftist vision has taken hold on the American left.

72 posted on 10/16/2017 5:21:03 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: FreedomPoster

Further, I would argue that anyone marching under the swastika today is anything but “right wing’


Using the metrics of race and anti-Semitism, I see it otherwise.


73 posted on 10/16/2017 5:21:47 PM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Good post.


114 posted on 10/16/2017 9:06:26 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Great post.

I call all totalitarian governments and philosophies Leftist Totalitarian Fascism and they have as a primary goal that is named in my taglne.

“Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.”


142 posted on 10/17/2017 4:57:45 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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