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[[BTW, am not commenting on whether or not the laws are Constitutional,]]

Didn’t mean to imply you were- I was commenting on the constitutionality of the idiotic laws in the state-

[[I don’t know that there are IL laws regarding keeping them locked up in a cabinet with a trigger lock, and ammo locked separately. I never said that...I was talking about in vehicle.]]

Again- my comment was simply to point out that states erode our second amendment rights by passing laws like that-

[[ you would be in a boatload of trouble if someone was injured with one of your firearms.]]

Life sucks sometimes- but tragic accidents are very very rare- more kids drown in pools and/or five gallon pails and bathtubs than get shot by guns lying around - the point is that we DO have a right to self protection and you can’t protect yourself during a home invasion when your gun and ammo are scattered all over the house-

Where do you draw the line? Crime in cities is rampant- breaking are rampant- where do you draw the lien between locking away guns ‘for the extremely rare cases of children shooting themselves’ and criminals breaking in?

According to the FBI
in the US:
www.fbi.gov
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One property crime happens every 3 seconds.
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One burglary occurs e
very 10 seconds.
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One violent crime occurs e
very
20 seconds
.
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One aggravated assau
lt occurs every 35 seconds.
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One robbery occurs every 60 seconds, or 1 minute.
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One forcible rape occurs every 2 minutes.
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There were over 2 million burglaries in 2005.
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An increase in burglary offenses was the only property crime to increase in 2005 compared with the prior year data.
Home Invasion Facts:
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According to a United States Department of Justice report:
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38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.
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1 of every 5 homes will experience a break in or home
invasion. That’s over 2,000,000 homes!
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According to Statistics Canada, there has been an average of 289,200 home invasions annually over the last 5 years.
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Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in
North America
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According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of
3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.

The bottom line is that you are far far more likely to be assaulted by criminals in your home than you are to face having someone shoot themselves with one of your guns

I understand your point.

I am repeating what I learned in CC class, and they focused a lot on keeping CC holders out of legal trouble. They said as owner, you are responsible for your firearm—if someone who is not causing you to fear or harm or someone in your proximity, gets hurt from your firearm—be it a child or another adult or if your ammo goes thru wall and injures someone, you are liable. If you shoot at a shoplifter fleeing a store, you are in trouble because they were not a threat to you...

We were told that anyone who discharges a firearm at another person—in their home or when they are out had better have some good insurance—NRA and CC organizations carry it. We were also given names of attorneys for legal representation. Said the CC holder will have to go to station, make a statement, etc.

Bottom line, firearms are Constitutional, but they do come major responsibility.

Maybe other states are less stringent.