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5 days after Vegas slaughter, only ISIS offers a narrative
WND ^ | Leo Hohmann

Posted on 10/07/2017 2:52:44 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

Dr. Mark Christian, a former Muslim imam and expert on Wahabbist and Salafist Islamic teachings, said he believes ISIS is milking the Las Vegas massacre for all it’s worth and will, in time, provide some type of evidence of its involvement, possibly a video.

“How would ISIS have known that U.S. investigators wouldn’t find a different motive that would debunk their claim?” said Christian, founder and director of the Global Faith Institute. *snip

Former secret service agent Dan Bongino said the case is unlike any other mass shooting he’s seen.

“This case is really an enigma,” he told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto. “It doesn’t seem to make any sense. In my experience, you usually have two types of suspects in these cases, those radicalized by an ideology or those with some type of psychological disorder, and with this one neither seems to make sense. There’s none of those pre-attack indicators. I don’t think the FBI or local police have that much information on this case, either, because they’re putting up billboards and asking for information. This is a very disturbing case.”

Another angle that makes no sense to Bongino is the Tannerite found in Paddock’s car.

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To: Steve Van Doorn

I assumed that was Paddock’s Muslim name.


101 posted on 10/07/2017 8:45:44 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: RC one
If he was a money launderer using casinos. doesn't these casinos check their money? He might not have been part of ISIS but he could of had a illegal business transaction.

ISIS does require all it's business transactions to be Muslim. That isn't hard to do.

102 posted on 10/07/2017 8:49:28 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Professional
Yes, is more plausible explanation.

He did not think he would die doing this.

I suspect the electronic vacuum cleaners are running full bore trying to locate the enablers.

Police will be silent for a while.

103 posted on 10/07/2017 8:49:32 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil
I don't think this was a single shooter. There is a video showing someone with a security or police type vest that looks like he fired a fully auto weapon into the crowed nearly point blank.

104 posted on 10/07/2017 8:54:07 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Trump20162020
This is my idea what took place.

I think he was working as a criminal business transaction with ISIS. laundering money.

I would suggest ISIS didn't like him because he wasn't a practicing Muslim. Likely said the Shahada for them to accept him for the business transaction. Because of that he was going to die unless he proven himself a "true believer Allah"

Qur'an 9:111 generally says, all sins you have done in the past are wiped clean if you die fighting in the cause of Allah.

If he survived this attack he would go on laundering money for ISIS. If he didn't his family would live. I think his intention was to live. Either way it was his only way form himself and his family to survive.

105 posted on 10/07/2017 9:12:27 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Did you know that the Four Seasons hotel occupies the upper floors of the Mandalay Bay?

Ano that a Saudi prince has a significant ownership interest in that particular Four Seasons?


106 posted on 10/07/2017 9:19:50 AM PDT by independentmind (Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.s)
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To: independentmind

That is interesting


107 posted on 10/07/2017 9:26:16 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Prince Alwaleed bin Talal has a 47.5% interest in Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts, which owns the Four Seasons in Las Vegas. Apparently, it is customary for Saudi delegations to stay there when in town.

Four Seasons starts on the 34th floor.

I would love to know if there is any access between the 32nd and 34th floors.

Interesting that there has been little press coverage about this.


108 posted on 10/07/2017 9:34:33 AM PDT by independentmind (Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.s)
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To: independentmind
The only thing I see is the stair case near his room. If rooms themselves have access between floors I wouldn't know.

That could have been why he complained about the noise down stairs the night before. To distract the hotel. He could have been cutting a hole into another room for his way out? I don't think it worked. I bet if police looked around in the other rooms they would find broken a wall, floor or ceiling.

I've been wondering why he only fired for what was it 10 minutes? Was he trying to get out from that point on? I'm guessing that security guard come sooner then he expected.

109 posted on 10/07/2017 9:47:56 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Since nothing really makes sense, I'm just engaging in a little dialectic to maybe find a shred of truth.

Reports indicate that he made his millions in online gambling and real estate. I'm calling BS on that. Online gambling is one way in which illegal money is laundered. That's a fact. He would have taken the laundered money and then invested in real estate. Real estate is also a means by which illegal money is laundered incidentally.

So, this kinda points to him being a criminal. His father was a bank robber and on the FBI's most wanted list. The acorn doesn't fall far from the tree. another fact-he was an IRS agent and an accountant. He would definitely know how to hide illegal money from the government. I would also like to know when, exactly, this 64 year old man "retired". He seems to have retired earlier than most civil servant accountants.

I'm just looking outside of the box because inside the box doesn't make a lot of sense and there are conflicting stories about what actually happened inside the box e.g multiple shooters, a woman in the concert reportedly telling concert goers that they're going to die. There's the fact that the cops can't seem to figure out when he allegedly shot himself. Police claim that he had an escape plan set up and he wired a 100 grand to his girlfriend in the philipines? Sorry, that's suspicious. The Philipines happen to be an ISIS stronghold. He apparently converted to Islam 6 months ago?

Lone wolf? Maybe. But there's enough here to support a conspiracy theory IMO.

110 posted on 10/07/2017 10:14:02 AM PDT by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: RC one
have you seen the video of what looks like a guy pulling out a large weapon then what it looks like he was firing into the crowed?
I don't have a link for it. I seen it played on FR a few times.
111 posted on 10/07/2017 10:47:49 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

no. I’ll have to look for it. I’m also wondering if there was a shooter with a suppressed weapon and a brass catcher on the fourth floor.


112 posted on 10/07/2017 10:53:47 AM PDT by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: RC one

No. There was a flashing light on the fourth floor that resembled a muzzle flash.


113 posted on 10/07/2017 11:00:20 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: independentmind
I would love to know if there is any access between the 32nd and 34th floors.

There would be the fire escape at a minimum.

114 posted on 10/07/2017 11:04:46 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Vision
It depends on what you mean by "loser." For some people not having friends or enduring relationships makes somebody a loser, but for other people it's not having money and the things money can buy.

I'd say he was more anti-social than a loser. Some highly successful people can be anti-social and have massive grudges against the world. It's not that they've failed in life. It's that the world didn't give them what they thought they were entitled to. Life didn't measure up to what they expected and that made them bitter.

Former secret service agent Dan Bongino said the case is unlike any other mass shooting he’s seen.

“This case is really an enigma,” he told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto. “It doesn’t seem to make any sense. In my experience, you usually have two types of suspects in these cases, those radicalized by an ideology or those with some type of psychological disorder, and with this one neither seems to make sense. There’s none of those pre-attack indicators. I don’t think the FBI or local police have that much information on this case, either, because they’re putting up billboards and asking for information. This is a very disturbing case.”

Maybe he's asking too much. When somebody is introverted, anti-social and secretive, maybe they don't signal what they're planning.

And just what is a "psychological disorder?" Does wanting to kill many people necessarily make somebody crazy? Or just evil?

115 posted on 10/07/2017 11:12:15 AM PDT by x
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To: independentmind
Very interest point about bin Talal and the Four Seasons. Actually starts on the 35th floor (niggling point on my part).

Bin Talal is the sheik who turned Harvard and Georgetown into muslim-loving havens.

116 posted on 10/07/2017 11:13:05 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: x; Vision

I don’t know “vision” but he is full of shiite on this thread.


117 posted on 10/07/2017 11:14:10 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Read this info on a blog somewhere.

The speculation was that some unknown person(s) escaped upwards rather than downwards.

So much hinges on the narrative surrounding the security guard. I can’t figure out why the shooter didn’t just finish him off.


118 posted on 10/07/2017 11:21:21 AM PDT by independentmind (Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.s)
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To: no-to-illegals

>>I too think the shooter was/is a patsy but a patsy for whom ... islam, drug cartel, both, other or more ... eludes me ....<<

Wouldn’t surprise me to learn he was employed by the DNC, or Obama, or that demented skank from Arkansas!


119 posted on 10/07/2017 11:23:41 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat
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To: independentmind
The stuff about bin Talal is accurate. He is a bad actor. A true believer in jihad.

He is the guy who offered the NYC millions after 911 and Rudy turned it down.

Good find on your part. Good research to be commended.

Adds an entirely new element to this mystery.

I don't know you, but many kudos for your astute research.

120 posted on 10/07/2017 11:27:04 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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