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Las Vegas police: Security responded to door alarm, drew fire from killer
cnn ^ | Oct. 6, 2017 | Euan McKirdy

Posted on 10/06/2017 4:02:34 PM PDT by bgill

Shooter tried to buy tracer rounds

Paddock tried to buy tracer ammunition at a gun show in the Phoenix area in recent weeks, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation tells CNN.

Paddock bought other ammunition at the show, but he couldn't obtain the tracer ammunition -- bullets with a pyrotechnic charge that, when the round is fired, leaves an illuminated trace of its path -- because the vendor didn't have any to sell, the official said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: 1oct; lasvegas; lvmassacre; paddock; shooter; stephenpaddock
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To: Boomer

“Tracer rounds would have made it easier to see where he was firing from. It would work against him.”

Unless he had reason to believe they would ignite the fuel tanks he was shooting at.


41 posted on 10/06/2017 8:28:58 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: The_Media_never_lie

That’s what I thought too.


42 posted on 10/06/2017 8:29:32 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Meet the New Boss

“Just a coincidence, the government tells us. “

Just another coincidence on a late Friday news dump we learn ISIS plots using car bombs and shooting up concerts have been uncovered, arrests made, one actor in the Philippines. No connection to Vegas though.....


43 posted on 10/06/2017 8:35:35 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: bgill

As to the tracer rounds, I had thought the first shots were a ten-second rapid-fire burst.

But someone posted a video on youtube from a smartphone at the concert and you can hear a few shots earlier than that, during the second song.

Maybe he fired just a few tracers at the very beginning to get a general sense of angle of fire, and then switched over to regular ammo.


44 posted on 10/06/2017 8:38:04 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: buffaloguy

That is probably true, but the question is if he thought they would.


45 posted on 10/06/2017 8:40:13 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Meet the New Boss

Look at this video at the 15 second mark and again at the 1:01 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skcuvo9Z9BY
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Yea they’re definitely spring-loaded or spring-tension and close on their own, and they look like they’d have some weight to them and would require something to keep them propped open.

I do think the door alarm has something to do with the shooting IF there was even a door alarm, because it’s too much of a coincidence to have the door alarm going off right around the time of the shooting on the same floor as the shooting. I’m not sure it was the shooter’s room door that was propped open unless he had to run to the other room to knock out the window to shoot at the fuel tanks. Was the room next to Paddock’s suite that he also rented adjoined to the suite or were they separate?

So you don’t believe there was a door alarm or you think there was one and it was the shooter’s door?


46 posted on 10/06/2017 8:43:19 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: snarkytart

If there was a door alarm I’m guessing it was the fire door stairwell next to the shooter’s suite.

If Paddock’s escape plan was UP a few floors to the Saudi-owned Four Seasons hotel, rather than running DOWN 32+ floors hoping to beat the cops in the stairwell, then it would make sense that a second person was going to help get him in through the fire door on the Four Seasons level.

Maybe the accomplice left when Paddock started shooting and blocked open the fire door next to the suite (maybe so he could hear things on that floor?) and then ran up to the Four Seasons floor ready to open the fire door when Paddock ran up and came a-knockin.

Maybe the fire doors open out freely but you cannot use a fire door to get into a floor, at least without a security card?


47 posted on 10/06/2017 8:51:58 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: exit82
"Or were there 200 rounds fired down the hallway as also reported and the guard only has a leg wound?"

I find that leg wound interesting. Was he shot from the front or back? Why was he shot below the belt and not above? I think the shooter knew this guard well, guard could have been a messenger. Tells shooter the plan is not going well because someone backed out. Shooter shoots "guard" in anger and then himself because he knows the game is up, he's on his own.

I think the guard should be investigated also.

48 posted on 10/06/2017 9:49:18 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Boomer

yes, it would be easier to spot where creepo was shooting, but maybe he wanted it to be that way, a diversion perhaps...


49 posted on 10/06/2017 10:06:15 PM PDT by cherry
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

I don’t think the security guard was Paddock’s focus or concern. He shot at him enough to get him to retreat and that’s that. Paddock’s focus was the concert crowd and apparently the fuel tanks located past the concert field.
In the manic zone of running to windows shooting, killing the security guard probably was not a priority.


50 posted on 10/06/2017 10:12:38 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: moehoward

Yes, I think he thought that the rounds would start a fire or explode. I think it was the key to his getaway plan and it failed. Oil production and storage are well protected against this type of attack.


51 posted on 10/06/2017 10:15:17 PM PDT by buffaloguy (Bond arms Cowbot)
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To: Meet the New Boss; snarkytart

what happened to the fire alarm in the room went off so we knew where he was in one minute, story?


52 posted on 10/07/2017 12:39:04 AM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: bgill

A DOOR ALARM?? WHAT?? There is no alarm on any doors except a STAIRWELL DOOR maybe!! And I think that locked bedroom abutted the stairwell......hmmmmmm.


53 posted on 10/07/2017 12:49:26 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: exit82

BINGO!!! I would think that the security guard, Jesus (Jose) Campos, would be on TV EVERYWHERE! But he;s not.


54 posted on 10/07/2017 12:54:03 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: snarkytart

Yes it does.....there is more to this security guard story, I believe.


55 posted on 10/07/2017 12:56:20 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: exit82

there’s a pic of him at the link

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/jesus-campos-security-guard-las-vegas-shooting-mandalay-bay-shot-stephen-paddock-photos/

“Campos was rushed to a nearby hospital after sustaining the injury and remains in good health. Hickey told The Daily Beast that the bullet is still in Campos’ leg and will be surgically removed at a later date.
Not long after the shooting, Campos said he was feeling well enough to leave the hospital, but staff and police urged him to stay to monitor his injury and interview him in the investigation. His family told NBC 3 News Las Vegas that he’s since been released from the hospital and is recovering at home.
A GoFundMe campaign has been set up by Liliana Rodriguez, a co-worker at the Mandalay Bay”


56 posted on 10/07/2017 1:31:51 AM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: blueplum
Thanks for the link--this is the first picture I have seen of Campos--marked as a Tweet late yesterday, Oct. 6, five days after the incident. Then further down is another Tweet marked Oct. 5th, four days after the incident, again posted by the same person.

We learn of yet a NEW version of events from the story:

The Daily Beast reported Wednesday that Jesus Campos, a 25-year-old security guard at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, was the first person to locate where the intense gunfire was coming from Sunday evening. Upon locating the hotel room, Campos was shot in the right leg when Paddock fired more than 200 rounds through the door. He reportedly radioed for assistance, and armed officers rushed to the floor, exchanging in gunfire with the 64-year-old Paddock. When officers finally breached the hotel room, they say Paddock was dead on the floor of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

So, Campos finds the room, Paddock shoots 200 rounds through the door. Campos radios for assistance, and then armed officers rushed to the floor, and exchanged gunfire with Paddock.

But Paddock stopped firing after ten minutes, and it would be another hour before the door was breached and Paddock was found dead.

The Undersheriff says:

As he laid on the ground injured, Campos radioed to the dispatch center, which brought other guards and officers to the door. They reportedly exchanged gunfire with Paddock prior to blasting open the door and finding his dead body on the floor.

Again, first time we are hearing about shots being exchanged with Paddock.

Then, we know the location of the shooter,at ten or less minutes into the event, officers exchange fire with Paddock, and it takes another hour to breach the door?

Well, after firing 200 rounds through a door, how much of a door would be left?

And how do they know there were 200 rounds fired? Count holes? There would be multiple rounds going through an ever expanding hole or holes as then 200 rounds are expended. How much of a door is left after 200 rounds?

The article also tells us the Campos was armed only with a nightstick. So Paddock saw him, saw he had a nightstick and decides to throw 200 rounds at him, hitting him only in the leg, while the guy is exposed in an open hallway?

Then Paddocks offs himself instead of getting away.

Then the article says Campos help to clear rooms until ordered to go get medical attention, so Campos is still ambulatory, but is hospitalized for a number of days and leaves the hospital with the bullet still in his leg for a future operation.

If he was ambulatory, why was the bullet left in his leg? No removal, even after a few days?

And he was kept under wraps with no media coverage of the "hero" for days for what reason--until the FBI could come up with another version of events?

And why is it Campos who "finds" the room, investigating an alarm about an open door, when during the first ten minutes, the smoke alarm goes off because of the smoke from Paddock's guns (first story that came out) and guests in adjacent rooms and rooms below calling Security about the bullets firing?

And when the smoke alarm goes off the strobe lights for the entire floor go off. The security center of the hotel would be alerted immediately from the fire alarm system and would have dispatched guards for that reason, not about a door alarm.

And then it would be all hands on deck to investigate an active smoke alarm situation and potential fire in an occupied hotel.

The whole sequence of events and Campos' role in them is getting more mucked up with each passing day.

57 posted on 10/07/2017 3:26:22 AM PDT by exit82 (The opposition has already been Trumped!)
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To: Meet the New Boss

It is said some shooters load one tracer to every few regular so they can get a better aim.


58 posted on 10/07/2017 6:00:43 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: exit82

Mucked up is right. 200 shots and just one hit him in a tight hallway. Adam Lanza had a near 100% kill with way less ammo and a larger zone. Which story are we supposed to believe?

What was the stairwell blocked with? The cops said it was blocked so they came up on the elevator. That makes no sense. Per fire code the door would open into the stairwell so it would be blocked with whatever on the side they were on. It would take less time to remove whatever the blockage was than to turn around, head back down and get to the elevator.

Why would the door’s EXIT sign be laying on the floor? Perhaps the cops tore it up and tossed it aside looking for another camera but that’s sure messing up forensics. The dishes on the cart aren’t tossed around. So, again, what’s with the sign?


59 posted on 10/07/2017 6:22:23 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: bgill
Why would the door’s EXIT sign be laying on the floor?

Good question. The exit sign is a plastic cover on top of a red light fixture. I took a look at a couple of tourist smartphone videos walking through Mandalay Bay (by the way, the corridor from the elevator bank to the end hotel room is a loooong way) to see where the exit signs are placed.

That sign would have been on the other wall on the elevator bank side of the fire door stairwell probably along the baseboard. How did it get removed and end up at the bottom of the opposite wall? Maybe the police pried it open to check for a camera or explosives behind it and tossed it aside. Or it came off somehow having to do with how the shooter supposedly 'blocked' the stairwell entrance.

The stairwell blockage is a mystery. That would have logically been the escape route for the shooter, perhaps up a few flights to an accomplice letting him into the Four Seasons through opening a fire door.

4:42 mark a similar exit sign along the baseboard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri9D7i-TZKA

60 posted on 10/07/2017 3:42:39 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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