Posted on 10/06/2017 4:02:34 PM PDT by bgill
Shooter tried to buy tracer rounds
Paddock tried to buy tracer ammunition at a gun show in the Phoenix area in recent weeks, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation tells CNN.
Paddock bought other ammunition at the show, but he couldn't obtain the tracer ammunition -- bullets with a pyrotechnic charge that, when the round is fired, leaves an illuminated trace of its path -- because the vendor didn't have any to sell, the official said.
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Tracers only burn for a certain length of time/distance. I think the tanks are too far away for the tracers to still burn. Also fuel has to be at the right ratio, 14.7:1, to combust.
He [the security guard] was conducting an investigation based on customers calling in, and he was personally attempting to locate what was occurring, he happened upon that doorway because it was ajar, which keyed his interest, but our officers were in close proximity so as you can imagine by the timeline there, soon as they came out of the doorway from the elevator he was there so it happened in a matter of seconds
The Sheriff's version sounds like the shooter's room had the door ajar, which obviously implies a second person who had left the door open when he exited. Paddock would not have carelessly left the door open while he was shooting.
Looks to me like the FBI is changing the story to fit the Narrative of lone white guy gun nut with deteriorating mental health.
Trump needs to get this out of the hands of the FBI into another investigative body.
The Undersheriff with FBI SAC Aaron Rouse literally a few inches from his shoulder looked like he was making a hostage tape tonight.
An open door a few rooms away from the Las Vegas suite of the man who was gunning down concertgoers at a music festival set off an alarm that prompted a response from a security guard, Clark County Undersheriff Kevin C. McMahill said Friday.
I remember reading earlier a version which had the security guard on a floor below talking to guests who pointed him up to where it sounded like shooting came from, and that is why he went onto floor 32.
The alarm from a room "a number of doors down" from Paddock's likely was a coincidence, McMahill told CNN's "The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer."
Just a coincidence, the government tells us.
Yeah. I knew about the proper ratio thing, but didn’t know what it was in those tanks at the scene.
I work at Coors in malting and we’re drilled every year about explosive combustion when it comes to grain dust in silos.
Also, when we had a Tiger Cruise from Hawaii to San Diego, there was a live fire demo. I watched tracer fire bouncing off the water for quite a distance from the ships behind mine. Perhaps some tracers are made with more phosphorus or whatever they use.
The perp allegedly stopped shooting after nine minutes. It would be interesting to check on the time when the unarmed hotel security guard tried to break down the suite door. If that was when the perp stopped shooting out the windows, the security guard may have saved hundreds of lives.
The tracers would not have ignited the jet A. Too much nitrogen in the tank.
They are designed to not explode.
The Undersheriff with FBI SAC Aaron Rouse literally a few inches from his shoulder looked like he was making a hostage tape tonight.
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Does anyone happen to know whether FBI SAC Aaron Rouse is related to John Podesta’s son-in-law Gordon Rouse?
By the way, in the press conference it looked like Rouse had a hand in the back of the Undersheriff like he was operating a ventriloquist dummy.
According the latest version from today’s press conference, the security guard did not try to break down the suite door.
The new version is that a door alarm from a room down the hall from Paddock went off, and the hotel radioed the security guard to go check the room. As he was in the hall looking at that room with the door jar, there was a burst of bullets from Paddock’s room down at the end of hall.
The security guard supposedly then retreated to the elevator bank.
Not at that range with that caliber weapon for several reasons.
1) Jet A is basically high quality kerosene. You can set it on fire but you need to work at it. Compare the flashpoint of Jet A @ 38°C (100 °F) versus Gasoline @ −43°C (−45°F).
2) The tanks are designed to take hits from small arms and not rupture. Even if you managed to get a tank to leak it wouldn't explode. You would need something like an RPG to start a big fire.
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honestly that makes more sense. what unarmed security guard would ever attempt to go investigate rapid fire gun shots by himself?
He was up there investigating something else when the gun fire broke out and he was shot and retreated.
I am curious why we have not seen anything of “hero” Jose Campos.
No pictures or interviews.
And just how does an unarmed security person frighten a guy with 23 guns and thousands of rounds of ammo into stopping?
And were six shot fired through a door? Which door? The suite’s door or the door of the second room?
Or were there 200 rounds fired down the hallway as also reported and the guard only has a leg wound?
And what about the cop that was supposedly with Campos on that floor?
For me the whole narrative falls apart with this hero guard stopping the shooting. Paddock had all the aces, but an unarmed hotel guy makes him commit suicide?
Now the whole timing of when Campos engaged and when he was shot changes.
And having the FBI minder standing behind the Undersheriff glaring at him at today’s press conference did not give me confidence we are getting the truth.
I have problems with the new story.
If he was poking his head into an open room a few doors down, and then a barrage of shots from the shooter’s door came at him hitting him in the leg, wouldn’t he jump into that open room to protect himself, rather than run down the hall to the elevator bank exposing himself to further shots?
Re investigating rapid fire gun shots by himself - by the same token, why would he be dispatched to investigate a supposed suspicious door alarm when cops were in the building trying to find the source of rapid fire gun shots from the upper floors?
Also, do regular guest rooms have door alarms if left open? Fire doors often have such alarms, because by law they are required to be closed. Was the alarm triggered from the fact that the fire door to the stairwell next to the shooter’s room had been propped open by the shooter or a confederate? There was some early reporting that the fire door was blocked or obstructed, but I have seen no clarification or elaboration of this.
Usually in these events there are often mistaken early reports which are corrected over time. Unfortunately, in the situation where the government is trying to impose a narrative on the facts for their own purposes, sometimes the earlier reports may be more accurate than the later ones.
I haven’t seen an interview with the hero security guard. Why not? There have been interviews with lots of other heroes from that day, from cops to first responders to doctors.
Mark this up to the ever politically correct press dying to make the hero a Hispanic male..probably a dreamer in the press’s wet dreams..what a narrative that would be, huh? And saved a bunch of country fans who want him deported. You need to think like the loons in the media and how they push their propaganda.
Who knows if Jose Campus ever took credit for stopping anything.
I heard the full police scanner audio of when the cop actually comes upon the security guard who was shot.
Was there a door left ajar? I would think busting a window out with hammer would cause an alarm faster than a door being left ajar? idk anything about this hotel’s alarm system.
I didn’t know that the hallways where the guest rooms are located do not have video cameras.
Could the guard have started up to investigate the alarm prior to the shooting and maybe on his way up 32 floors the shooting started? He gets off the elevator and hears the shots, walks a little toward Paddock’s room, gets hit in the leg and retreats into the staircase next to Paddock’s room? Maybe the guard never even made it to the room with the door alarm?
In the end does it matter to the investigation??? I can’t see how it does.
CBS Austin, TX local news said some of the ammo was bought in someone else’s name
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Soon to be refuted by officials I’m sure..lol
Sheriff’s comments at the press conference yesterday:
He [the security guard] was conducting an investigation based on customers calling in, and he was personally attempting to locate what was occurring, he happened upon that doorway because it was ajar, which keyed his interest, but our officers were in close proximity so as you can imagine by the timeline there, soon as they came out of the doorway from the elevator he was there so it happened in a matter of seconds/
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This does make most sense. He was investigating “something” ..but probably had no idea what the heck was going on, just as other guests who called security didn’t know either.
Gets to the room sees the door ajar and then gets fired on and retreats into the staircase or wherever.
But the door being ajar doesn’t mean there was another person in Paddocks room who left.
That's the story they are going with now - a door down the hall was left ajar by a guest triggering an alarm upon which the unarmed security guard is dispatched to check it out.
In my life I have stayed in many, many hotels all over the world. I can remember instances where I or a colleague have propped open a hotel room door so people could come in and out as we prepared for a next day meeting. I can remember instances at a wedding or a memorial service where someone propped a door open so people could come in and out and visit. With one very unusual exception, I can not remember ever there being an alarm that went off if the hotel room door was left open for a few minutes.
Look at this video at the 15 second mark and again at the 1:01 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skcuvo9Z9BY
This is the same suite as the shooter in the Mandalay Bay taken by a guest who stayed there the previous year. You can see at those marks that the hotel room doors to the hall have those commercial-style spring-tension door closers on the top of each side of the double door.
So you would have to actually prop the door open to make it stay open! It's not like a guest could walk out and forget to close the door, and then the door would stay open and set off an alarm, as they would have us believe, because the automatic door closers would close the door.
I would think busting a window out with hammer would cause an alarm faster than a door being left ajar? idk anything about this hotel’s alarm system.
I doubt every window in the hotel is rigged to some kind of electronic system to detect breakage.
I didn’t know that the hallways where the guest rooms are located do not have video cameras.
That's the reporting - no cameras on guest room floors.
Could the guard have started up to investigate the alarm prior to the shooting and maybe on his way up 32 floors the shooting started?
If a guest room was left open, then logically one could imagine people spooked by the sound of the rapid fire weapons who fled and forgot to close the door. But that would have been after the shooting started. And anyway, the doors have those spring-tension door closers so the door should have closed automatically.
He gets off the elevator and hears the shots, walks a little toward Paddock’s room, gets hit in the leg and retreats into the staircase next to Paddock’s room? Maybe the guard never even made it to the room with the door alarm?
The story they have put out is that he retreated to the elevator bank and seconds later the elevator doors opened with the cops arriving on the floor.
In the end does it matter to the investigation??? I can’t see how it does.
It matters a great deal to the question of (1) was there a second person in the room, as would be suggested if the shooter's door had been left ajar or (2) do we have reason to believe they are actually lying to us, which of course would suggest our worst suspicions about this event may be true.
To my mind it would strongly suggest a situation in which a second person had exited the room and as a result the door was ajar, perhaps by something he dropped blocking the door, perhaps unintentionally in his haste.
Because Paddock would not have left the door ajar while he was shooting. That simply isn't believable. I think this point is why they have come out with the new story to make clear that it was not Paddock's room that had the door ajar, but another one down the hall.
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