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To: snarkytart
Was there a door left ajar?

That's the story they are going with now - a door down the hall was left ajar by a guest triggering an alarm upon which the unarmed security guard is dispatched to check it out.

In my life I have stayed in many, many hotels all over the world. I can remember instances where I or a colleague have propped open a hotel room door so people could come in and out as we prepared for a next day meeting. I can remember instances at a wedding or a memorial service where someone propped a door open so people could come in and out and visit. With one very unusual exception, I can not remember ever there being an alarm that went off if the hotel room door was left open for a few minutes.

Look at this video at the 15 second mark and again at the 1:01 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skcuvo9Z9BY

This is the same suite as the shooter in the Mandalay Bay taken by a guest who stayed there the previous year. You can see at those marks that the hotel room doors to the hall have those commercial-style spring-tension door closers on the top of each side of the double door.

So you would have to actually prop the door open to make it stay open! It's not like a guest could walk out and forget to close the door, and then the door would stay open and set off an alarm, as they would have us believe, because the automatic door closers would close the door.

I would think busting a window out with hammer would cause an alarm faster than a door being left ajar? idk anything about this hotel’s alarm system.

I doubt every window in the hotel is rigged to some kind of electronic system to detect breakage.

I didn’t know that the hallways where the guest rooms are located do not have video cameras.

That's the reporting - no cameras on guest room floors.

Could the guard have started up to investigate the alarm prior to the shooting and maybe on his way up 32 floors the shooting started?

If a guest room was left open, then logically one could imagine people spooked by the sound of the rapid fire weapons who fled and forgot to close the door. But that would have been after the shooting started. And anyway, the doors have those spring-tension door closers so the door should have closed automatically.

He gets off the elevator and hears the shots, walks a little toward Paddock’s room, gets hit in the leg and retreats into the staircase next to Paddock’s room? Maybe the guard never even made it to the room with the door alarm?

The story they have put out is that he retreated to the elevator bank and seconds later the elevator doors opened with the cops arriving on the floor.

In the end does it matter to the investigation??? I can’t see how it does.

It matters a great deal to the question of (1) was there a second person in the room, as would be suggested if the shooter's door had been left ajar or (2) do we have reason to believe they are actually lying to us, which of course would suggest our worst suspicions about this event may be true.

39 posted on 10/06/2017 8:22:45 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss

Look at this video at the 15 second mark and again at the 1:01 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skcuvo9Z9BY
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Yea they’re definitely spring-loaded or spring-tension and close on their own, and they look like they’d have some weight to them and would require something to keep them propped open.

I do think the door alarm has something to do with the shooting IF there was even a door alarm, because it’s too much of a coincidence to have the door alarm going off right around the time of the shooting on the same floor as the shooting. I’m not sure it was the shooter’s room door that was propped open unless he had to run to the other room to knock out the window to shoot at the fuel tanks. Was the room next to Paddock’s suite that he also rented adjoined to the suite or were they separate?

So you don’t believe there was a door alarm or you think there was one and it was the shooter’s door?


46 posted on 10/06/2017 8:43:19 PM PDT by snarkytart
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what happened to the fire alarm in the room went off so we knew where he was in one minute, story?


52 posted on 10/07/2017 12:39:04 AM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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