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Based on the Early Reports, the Las Vegas Shooting Is Very, Very Strange
National Review ^ | 10-2-2017 | DAVID FRENCH

Posted on 10/03/2017 3:31:00 AM PDT by servo1969

As virtually everyone has noted from the abundant video footage of the incident, it certainly sounds as if the shooter used either fully-automatic weapons or semi-automatic weapons modified (through, for example, a bump fire stock) to closely simulate automatic fire. Moreover, the police are reporting that he had “more than 10 rifles.” He apparently rented his corner room for days and may have even set up cameras to detect when police were approaching. That’s all strange enough, but it’s even more unusual when you consider that his own family apparently didn’t know that he maintained a stockpile of guns.

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Put all this together, and the shooting is flat-out bizarre. It’s significantly different from virtually any other mass shooting in U.S. history. If the weapons were fully automatic, then he likely would have spent immense sums of money to obtain them legally, jumping through extensive legal hoops.

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So, a person who’s “not a gun guy” has either expended untold thousands of dollars to legally purchase fully-automatic weapons, somehow found them on the black market, or purchased and substantially modified multiple semi-automatic weapons — and did so with enough competence to create a sustained rate of fire. This same person also spent substantial sums purchasing just the right hotel room to maximize casualties.

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Given the firepower and the packed mass of people, it’s easy to see how the casualty count was so high, even firing from an extreme range (by the standards of mass shootings.) This was the University of Texas tower attack on steroids, conducted out of nowhere, with meticulous planning and at great expense, from a person who doesn’t seem to fit any normal profile of a mass shooter. There is much we have yet to learn, but for now, this is one of the most chilling and mysterious events I’ve ever seen.

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To: bushpilot2
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381 posted on 10/03/2017 1:57:32 PM PDT by bushpilot2
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To: yldstrk; All
You cannot convince me he did this by himself. He was the dead body left behind by the criminals. He was in over his head. Whoever did this has a lifetime of gun knowledge, it could even be connected to or a part of a government, has anyone thought of North Korea?

Mostly my thoughts except: I doubt it has any out of country connection.

Smells to me like may be the Deep State - and he was a patsy - like Oswald...

They're getting desperate and needed a giant 'crisis' - certainly they were ready to jump on GUN CONTROL at minute two - while people still being taken to hospital.

Have a little decency...(oh, right. I forgot. It's like LBJ kicking Jackie out of her bedroom on Air Force One right in Dallas...while she was still covered in blood and brains.)

382 posted on 10/03/2017 2:01:42 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ( Christian is as Christian does mt-h)
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To: rodguy911

What is your guess? I honestly don’t have a guess. There is too much I don’t know. I know he had a motive that meant something either to him or someone controlling him.


383 posted on 10/03/2017 2:45:27 PM PDT by Yaelle (Socialism, faithfully implemented, delivers anguish and devastation. - President Trump)
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To: JediJones

You run towards the shooter because it is almost impossible to lead someone coming to you at that angle.


384 posted on 10/03/2017 3:52:50 PM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: bgill

I don’t either but if you have my phone or laptop, or my paper photos in my house, you will have a picture of me, at least one!


385 posted on 10/03/2017 4:27:00 PM PDT by bigtoona (Make America Great Again! America First!)
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To: Yaelle

I’m keeping an open mind trying to put together everything I read see,hear, so far I just don’t see the supposed perp being anything other than what he claims to be.
The guy has no record of shooting anything anywhere ever or any interest in guns,I see third parties doing all or most of the damage, just don’t know who.
I have my guesses and others have the same but nothing hard I can cling to.
I think it was an op done by deep staters who do these kind of things in foreign countries all the time.
I dont see the suspect involved at all.


386 posted on 10/03/2017 4:33:23 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Home of the free because of the brave!MAGA!)
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To: DCBryan1

I only heard a short audio clip.

Another post has a picture of the guy in the room etc.

This whole thing stinks, and nothing the media is saying makes any sense.


387 posted on 10/03/2017 5:13:41 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: knarf

I doubt we’ll ever have the correct data.

My two friends that were there got out ok, but a woman from near here didn’t. She left behind four kids.

This took a lot of planning.


388 posted on 10/03/2017 5:15:25 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: bushpilot2
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389 posted on 10/03/2017 5:29:54 PM PDT by bushpilot2
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To: All

I just heard audio that seems to suggest that some of the automatic fire was coming from one location and the other definitely from another location. It was audio only so could not see where it was coming from.


390 posted on 10/03/2017 5:47:11 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Home of the free because of the brave!MAGA!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

From thousands of cameras in the hotels and casino’s where he practically lived according to the very tiny amount of info we have on him. A driver license.... some photos from his houses, cell phone, computer...


391 posted on 10/03/2017 5:59:39 PM PDT by bigtoona (Make America Great Again! America First!)
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To: servo1969

The aftermath

https://m.liveleak.com/view?i=b62_1507072186

Graphic on the scene cell footage


392 posted on 10/03/2017 6:13:01 PM PDT by combat_boots (God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her! Merry Christmas! In God We Trust! 4c)
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To: servo1969
​One theory is that is was a gun deal overtaken by rogue f b i agents that double crossed him with possible hotel staff in on it. Was he funding he gambling addiction by selling guns?
393 posted on 10/03/2017 6:15:11 PM PDT by andmy_
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To: jazzlite
The underbelly of crime in the US is the use of drugs, specifically, pain medications and opioids, which can turn anyone into an extreme narcissist who feels like God as he/she believes they have the right to all their desires.

Well over 10 million US citizens are on opiate medications for chronic afflictions. So you are saying all these otherwise good citizens can flip to a raving narcissist? And then go out acting God-like to satisfy all their desires?

You must be high.

394 posted on 10/03/2017 6:22:03 PM PDT by corkoman
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To: servo1969

LUXOR MASSACRE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxor_massacre

Motivation: economic warfare against Egypt

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[NOTE THAT THERE WAS AN INCIDENT AT THE NEARBY LUXOR CASINO THE NIGHT OF THE SHOOTING]


395 posted on 10/03/2017 7:47:13 PM PDT by piasa
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To: maggief

https://www.forbes.com/profile/pansy-ho/ Her daddy once controlled all Macau gambling....and he’s ‘allegedly’ connected organized crime. Marilou was recently in HK.


396 posted on 10/03/2017 7:57:55 PM PDT by bushpilot2
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To: piasa; Fedora

Atthe Luxor casino the police were after a guy dressed as a security guard, IIRC.

Note what the terrorists did at Luxor, Egypt, a tourist area...

The terrorists belonged to Gamaah Islamiyyah or some such spelling. Its’ spiritual leader, the Blind Sheikh of the 1993 WTC bombing fame and Landmark Plot fame, Omar Abdurahman /Abdul Rahman...and at Luxor they demanded his release. He’s the same guy the MBro and Egypt’s Clinton-backed MuslimBro president Morsi wanted to get the US to turn over years later too, around the time of Benghazi.
The Blind Sheikh’s group right before Luxor had been involved in a truce with the government... so to order them into action the Blind Sheikh had to get a message to them to break the truce. He sent an American marxist member of the National Lawyer’s Guild [same people who provide legal protection to Antifa] to Egypt- Lynne Stewart, his “secret dove,” She bore his message to his terrorist buddies in Egypt. After she delivered the message, they attacked the tourists at Luxor.

Just thought it ight be relevant when I saw the pyramid in Las Vegas, the Luxor Casino/Hotel, overlooking the concert stage area in a photo.

Maybe the guy wanted to carry out his own Luxor massacre... an attack intended to weaken Egypt’s economy.


397 posted on 10/03/2017 8:06:28 PM PDT by piasa
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To: piasa
Also--probably unrelated, possibly not--but your comment reminded me: Theories on why 9/11 hijackers visited Las Vegas
398 posted on 10/03/2017 8:32:26 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: knarf

Help me understand this video in regards to ‘two shooters’. Thank you.


399 posted on 10/04/2017 8:21:49 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: HollyB
I have no fancy equipment, so the best I can do is close my eyes and listen.

there are two shooting sounds ... a sharp, higher toned "crack" and a lower "boom" (for lack of better descriptors)

It has already been suggested that what I am hearing is echoing, but the cracks and booms don't seem to match.THAT is why I asked (?) ...

400 posted on 10/04/2017 9:55:08 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true.)
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