Posted on 10/01/2017 10:50:18 PM PDT by Pinkbell
Just breaking. A lot of repots on Twitter from people.
True Pundit reported this:
An active shooter reportedly on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay bar Hotel in Las Vegas has gunned down at least one police officer and others.
There were two rooms, and now that that’s confirmed in the media, I can tell you that the southernmost shooting position is outside of the main suite. At your link, the fifth image is a floor plan.
Only one window faces due east, southeast corner of master bedroom.
Helicopter and other daylight shots confirm that the southernmost,shooting position is 7 windows south of the transition between east facing and northeast facing walls. That places it outside the large suite, and this news story confirms Paddock had booked two rooms:
Scroll down, it’s in there, sourced to another news agency, and from there, back to official police statement.
Primary and alternate firing positions, pretty much FM-101 level doctrine. Indicates doctrinal exposure?
A recent report said she was “cleared of any involvement in the shooting” ...which...is a rather fine bit of word-smithery, when you get right down to it.
the real Geary Danley has been found safe and sound with his family in Arkansas. Married Marilou Bustos in 1990, LV, and divorced in 2014, but ‘she never lived in Arkansas.’
http://www.4029tv.com/article/nwa-family-gets-death-threats-over-connection-to-shooter/12768681
Craig Paddock’s father was Patrick Benjamin Paddock aka Bruce Ericksen, charged in Oregon for Bingo hall racketeering but released - no charges no jail. Died Texas?
https://wdef.com/2017/10/02/the-latest-suspects-dad-faced-oregon-racketeering-charge/
Craig G. (Gordon) Ericksen aka Craig S. Erickson - Palm Springs, formerly of Sun City West, Las Vegas, NV - age 70
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Craig-Ericksen
thanks very much. I see that two rooms comment now.
Welcome to the wonderful world of the Swamp.
Hey bud,any chance this joker acted alone?
There are 7 or 8 different numbers of guns being reported between his house and the hotel room. Just goes to show how sloppy,inept and inaccurate the reporting is on this thing.It’s as if more is going on in the background that can not be reported so the obvious questions go unanswered.
that would be the logical explanation for what is going on. His father being a master criminal on the wild side. So what his son does after successfully concealing who he really was for all these years now makes sense.
My bigger question is did he work alone? If not with whom.I could guess but hate doing so.
Excellent thought. Most likely scenario.
Here’s a spanner in the works...two of three videos I’ve seen showing apparant muzzle flashes much lower and further south:
Oh, and by the way, videos,disappearing off Youtube to the point that ithers, besides me, are noticing it.
Hmmmm.
The cabbie video is making the rounds on social media. I am not sure what to make of it yet. Off to review it on the big screen - curious.
What if he really was a “soldier” of ISIS - maybe a recent convert - and he sent money to ISIS in the Philippines?
You're a day late, and more than a buck short in the so-called "common sense" department.
The above italicized statement of yours serves to prove (as I had suspected) that you were operating on assumptions, and making things up as you went based upon those assumptions. Like I'd said -- you were pulling it (what you'd said) out of your stern vent.
Watch your mouth.
I'm no "luddite", nor was I thinking that residents of Nevada were. You fail miserably at mind reading -- give it up, you SUCk at that. Learn this and learn it now, grasshopper -- you're not smart enough to accurately read my mind.
The issue here was from the beginning (when you first opened you mouth to me) --whatever facial recognition tools are available, obviously were not up and running in that resort, at that time. At least not in ways that actionable intelligence could be derived from it, immediately, on the spot. I think you've watched too many movies.
The deal also was that you provided no source to back up what you'd said in previous comment. Running your mouth at me further does not change that.
Your opinions are not sources, nor is the reasoning in your head (or coming out the hinder parts) anything I'd need respect as being applicable for this situation. I've yet to see you say much of anything on this forum that wasn't somehow skewed, come to think of it.
Various accounts that have allegedly come from law enforcement do not line up with what you had initially (in prior comment) claimed. But nice try at deflecting away from how you were pulling stuff out of your (wherever -- thank you, Megyn) by trying to shift some kind of blame onto myself. You really think others are as limited in their own thinking as you seem to like to think those "other people" are? Stop being so ridiculous.
Here's, the initial claim you made, from comment #883;
Mandalay Bay knew exactly who was in that room within one minute of the shots being fired. That information was immediately relayed to the Las Vegas Metro Police
By the time you posted that, somebody on this thread had already mentioned that the smoke detector in the room was being said to be what had tipped the hotel to where exactly the guy was. That was why I demurred, and asked you for a source for what you were claiming -- since at that point, despite other reports lacking anything like you blurted out to me (disconnected from all other flow of conversation too, at that point) there was possibility you'd come across mention of what you were alleging, or else you had some inside information no one else here on this forum was privy to(?).
I'll assume now you had neither, and as I also suspected, had nothing but your own mouthy opinion, for you've all but entirely confirmed there's no other reasonable possibility ---unless--- you're holding out on us, having some kind of "secret" Mandalay Bay-specific "facial recognition software" information that you can't share, but are nonetheless using as form of base-camp to run your mouth at me. How likely would that be? Not very bloody likely. There -- I answered the question for you. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Here's a source that relates the police did not know, when they first entered the building; what room the shooter was in, and possibly (I would say it's highly probable at that point) did not know who precisely the shooter was. From http://www.businessinsider.com/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-timeline-2017-10 according to who was identified as Clark County Sheriff Lombardo;
Law-enforcement officials responding to the Mandalay Bay went to the 29th floor of the hotel, Lombardo said, believing the gunfire was coming from somewhere between the 29th and 32nd floor. "We had to evaluate each floor moving up." Lombardo said complaints from customers and information from security led them to the suspect's room.That alone, if accurate (it was coming from a law enforcement officer supposedly "in the know") falsifies the claim you made."They checked each floor until they located what they believed to be the room," Lombardo said. A SWAT team broke down the door, at which point Paddock "shot through the doorway striking a security guard," Lombardo said. The guard suffered a leg wound. Paddock died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
There's facial recognition software (provided the hardware is up to snuff too) around, but obviously enough it was not being used @ Mandalay Bay Resort.>p> Or, if it was, and the info you insisted was gathered as you had claimed, and furthermore WAS sent to the local yokels -- there would have to be loads of outright incompetence on part of Las Vegas Metro law enforcement, provided the information in the articles I'm linking to and discussing here is accurate.
What logical possibility could be left? Perhaps they're deliberately hiding their hand(?) about what they can "know" and how fast they can know it? How much tinfoil conspiracy should the forum here chew on, grasshopper? We're not quite to the level of all-encompassing 24/7 EVERYWHERE knowing-everything intelligence gathering among even Las Vegas casinos. There are simply too many people passing through.
Do you have any idea how much computing power would need to be put to work, costing lot's of ongoing, daily energy and personnel expense money, on top of possibly billions of dollars in initial hardware, and software to have the tools at hand to rapidly weed out from among tens of thousands of people a week who pass through that resort --one person-- and do it all in the space of ONE minute? It could easily cost tens of thousand$$$ A WEEK just to have it up and running )at all times). We're not talking here of going back over older image captures -- even using facial recognition software, provided there are enough well placed cameras of sufficient resolution. It's not like everyone is stepping up to a retina scan device whenever they come and go from among various portions of the resort.
What was cited above, from 'Business Insider' (which I admit is not the best of sources) if true, indicates there was far more than mere minutes (say -- less than five?) total from the moment the shooting first started, to the time the police knew what room the man was in.
The info indicates also that even the hotel staff most likely did not know exactly what what room the shooter was in --- unless the fire alarm went off within one minute's time, and they were able to put two and two together, and figure out that fast it was the shooter's location, without lingering doubt there could be an actual fire wherever their master panel indicated there was smoke.
If that's not enough to convince you, try this on for size;
Gun smoke triggered fire alarm, leading police to Las Vegas shooter’s location
Retired Las Vegas police lieutenant, Randy Sutton, told the Washington Post smoke filled the room as Paddock fired a large number of rounds into the crowd below, causing a fire alarm to go off.From the Washington Post;Police entered the room using explosives where they found the gunman dead from apparent suicide, Lombardo said. Police also found “in excess of 10 rifles” in the room.
It wasn’t the hundreds of muzzle flashes that exploded from the shooter’s rifles that gave away his position.Nor was it the panicked 911 calls from people reporting the rhythmic thundering of gunfire.
It was the smoke.
As the gunman, identified as Stephen Paddock, fired round after round, gun smoke filled his room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, said Randy Sutton, a retired lieutenant with the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, citing police sources.
The SWAT team used the alarm triggered by the smoke to zero in on Paddock’s position in about 20 minutes — not nearly enough time for a floor-by-floor search of the hotel, which has 3,309 rooms and a 135,000-square-foot casino.
Notice there was no mention of hotel security cameras using facial recognition software to know within one minute who the shooter was, and where exactly (what room, or possibly rooms plural) the shooter was, nor was any information of the sort relayed immediately unless law enforcement is either lying to us up one side and down the other, or they were told but somehow forgot, and so had to figure it out after having narrowed the shooter's location down to "between the 29th and 32nd floors".
Next time I ask you for link to some claim you make (you smarmy [I-can't-say-those-words-on-this forum]) -- provide it, rather than in place of solid info give me a whole bunch of mouthy opinion ---or else be dismissed from word 'go' (like I should have done this time, but knew you'd trip over your own fat mouth & tongue, so I allowed you to, just for kicks).
Speaking of which, you are now dismissed.
Is there a chance he never fired even one round?
Got it and the answer is a resounding yes.
Has this been examined on this thread?
http://news.sky.com/story/what-we-know-so-far-about-millionaire-las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-11065198
CHECK OUT THIS MUZZLE FLASH VIDEO:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dkZN28oYO4
There is certainly a background vibe in all of this pointing to the possibility that (a) Paddock was used by others and maybe not even with his full understanding, or (b) Paddock met up with certain elements somewhere on his global travels and decided to throw in his lot with them.
Otherwise, all we have is the rather unlikely scenario that a relatively successful senior citizen (almost) decided that his way of going crazy would be to kill as many people as he could for no rational reason.
However, people do go crazy and at that point their thought processes are by definition irrational.
I’m relatively confident that an overseas connection will come to light and that his motivation (if indeed he did the shooting) was politicized either through duress (threats made) or acceptance of some ideology (most likely candidates being radical Islam and far left anarchy).
This is a long thread.I don’t know if this was covered or debunked or is it real”?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ARGKxre9E
Supposed gunman on the fourth floor?
Is this real?
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