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To: SkyPilot
"Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully." In the video that Eli posted, the author actually puts forth the theory that those who are not looking for His return, even though they are saved Christian, may not be taken in the Rapture.

That is something I have sometimes considered, and I must say it is a sobering thought.

I do not believe that any believers will be left at the rapture, whether they are watching or not.

None of us is perfect and making being taken in the rapture puts on works, when everything we have is by grace.

Now, it certainly is feasible that those not watching will lose reward in heaven, but that is a different matter, IMO, than being left to endure the horrors of the Tribulation.

116 posted on 09/17/2017 3:56:02 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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119 posted on 09/17/2017 4:00:34 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: metmom; EliRoom8
I do not believe that any believers will be left at the rapture, whether they are watching or not. None of us is perfect and making being taken in the rapture puts on works, when everything we have is by grace. Now, it certainly is feasible that those not watching will lose reward in heaven, but that is a different matter, IMO, than being left to endure the horrors of the Tribulation.

Very good points, and that has been my traditional view. In fact, I still pretty much hold to it.

Where I differ (just a bit) with you is that I don't think that those whose hearts are yearning, watching, and yes - living for the Lord are justified in any way by "works." We are all saved by Grace, as you stated. Per the theory of the person who made that video, believers salvation is never in doubt, only the manner in which they enter the Kingdom (rapture, death, or endure to the end of the age).

Those who believe in a mid-Tribulation, a "pre-wrath "Tribuation, or a post-Tribulation rapture are the ones looking to be justified by works. They think they will be "purified" through the Tribulation. In other words: "Lookatme!" and "God owes me now!"

I don't know which side of the scale is really true. But I find it interesting that Jesus said this to us:

"Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."

Luke 21:36

Why would Jesus tell believers to do that, if they were going to be Raptured.....no matter what?

It doesn't seem to make sense, if ALL Christians escape. Something I struggle with.

Blessings to you metmom! You are a very wise and strong believer in Christ.

123 posted on 09/17/2017 4:25:36 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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