Posted on 09/10/2017 2:02:02 PM PDT by NautiNurse
Thank-you (!!)to NautiNurse and Dirtboy for these hurricane threads. I was glued to them and praying hard! Dirtboy’s interpretations of the hurricane path, forecasting, and the charts/gifs brought over from other sites were extremely helpful.You and other contributors on the thread did a great public service.
I don’t know if Conservative Tree House threads are ok here but Sundance posted one yesterday that made me very sad. It’s his on-the-ground report in Central FL where he’s trying to help out with relief efforts. It starts with: “What a day!! There’s no fuel to be found in South Florida. We quit looking.” and ends with: “The unwritten stories are the people in the center of the state. Bigly. Kids with no shoes; desperate moms; no food now; the few belongings they did have washed away or blown away.”
www.theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09/11/irmas-aftermath-a-ground-report/
I am still praying for those affected, and hoping that hurricane Jose doesn’t get his act together and threaten more devastation!
Water returns to bay in Bahamas: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4875888/Bahamas-sparkling-sea-returnsafre-Irma-sucked-away.html.
Get off the thread.
What the author is terming “negative surge” both in the Bahamas and in Tampa Bay, is fairly equivalent to what I’ve understood regarding all hurricane storm surge, that it’s a dome of water pulled into the center of the storm largely due to low pressure and held there due to strong wind in the eye wall. Water “disappearing” is typically due to wind from outer bands driving water out of shallow bays and sounds, that’s what has happened here in NC in a few historical instances. Irma was not a particularly strong storm looking at the effects and the damage, so saying this was the result of an effect, “negative surge,” associated with a very powerful storm when there was no very powerful storm off Tampa Bay, is a matter for conjecture.
Certainly.
Same thing happens in Tsunamis before the water comes in.
All very true..
But, this is why I think officials really need to re-think the current strategy of mass evacuations. Our ability to predict tracts and effects is simply not good enough to provide proper advice in a sufficient to time to evac multi-millions. We should be evacuating people in areas prone to storm surge, or low level areas that might be expected to see severe flooding. But, the vast majority of people in hurricane target areas do NOT need to leave. Their lives are not threatened.
What they need to do is: Be PREPARED for 1-2 weeks with no power or water. That’s no picnic, for sure... but, it beats being stranded on a highway for hours upon hours. And, not being able to get BACK to your home for days and days.
You are right in some ways. However, many people live in mobile homes or apartments or condos and those all have unique properties that make it impossible to shelter in place.
I’m starting to agree with that.
Agreed... For those people, I think we need to construct LOCAL wind shelters. It’s a different kind of planning required.
Maybe, we need to design and build “wind shelter” spots WITHIN homes?
I don’t claim to have the answer. I just know: What we’re doing now is NOT effective, and has a fairly high risk of being exactly wrong.
Must be diesel.
Hurricanes and flooding aren’t accidents. They are just natural cyclical events on planet earth. As long as people prefer to live in these areas, they will have to tolerate the situation. There are lots of ways to minimize the trouble. Florida will never require the setbacks and building codes that would minimize the problems. It’s cheaper to take the hit.
I know power companies and National Guard units from 48-50 states are all working hard to restore power in Florida. Our power company Eversource and the Connecticut National Guard pre-positioned themselves somewhere in Florida before Irma hit.
Hang in there, FRiend. Hope to hear good news from you soon. :-)
My grandson’s school in Sarasota became a shelter. Sure helped him get through this in familiar surroundings.
Good discussion topic. Evacuations are so incredibly disruptive and costly. I hope that one day we will have an estimate for cost and the number of people who evacuated the East FL coast over to the Gulf coast to end up directly in the storm path yet again. Somewhat similarly, Charley evacuees ended up fleeing into the path of the storm 13 years ago.
As close to landfall as Sunday morning, Tampa Bay had dire predictions for storm surge--which a few short hours l ater weren't as dire as feared as the storm track moved to east of Tampa Bay. Perhaps in 5-10 years, someone will crack the hurricane prediction code. Can't be soon enough after this storm.
Thanks, FRiend. FPL update says West coast of FL should be restored by Sept. 22. East coast FL by the end of this weekend.
Yeah! Good for you. Last night a Hardee’s was open on Babcock St headed to Palm Bay. Packed! With gas range at home, able to cook eggs, oatmeal and boil water for tea and Mr. Coffee, so set for few days. Apt mgr says FPL told them five more days til power restored.
Wow 16 Mil.Unreal.
I remember hearing it reported that it emptied but don't remember any details.
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