What The Freekin C??
Posted on 09/10/2017 5:05:47 AM PDT by Raymond Pamintuan
The very serious problems of abiogenesis and technological intelligence and the mathematical odds against finding intelligent extraterrestrials explain why we’ve never been able to detect extraterrestrial intelligences—and probably never will. We can all sleep soundly at night without worrying that aliens are going to come down from the sky to destroy or invade us.
This then brings us to what is usually ignored in science: God.
Since I am a Christian, this article is limited to the Christian worldview, which is centered on Jesus Christ. (Note: This section does not imply the biblical text is necessarily “true,” only that this is what it is teaching. We have the freedom to accept its teaching or not, but it does provide an internally-consistent cosmology that explains why we’ve never detected extraterrestrials.)
According to the New Testament:
1. God had his Son, Jesus, create the universe:
John 1:3 He created the universe—nothing exists that wasn’t created by him.
1 Corinthians 8:6 To us, there’s only one God, the Father, the originator of the universe and for whom we live; and there’s one Lord Jesus Christ, the creator of the universe and creator of mankind.
Colossians 1:13-17
(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...
‘Time is not a function of the speed of light. Time is a function of the frequency of consciousness divided by the speed of light’
uh,okay...
A very simple example was provided by Einstein, even though he failed to include it in his equation.
If you sit on a hot plate for a second it feels like an hour.
If a beautiful woman sits on your lap for an hour, it feels like a second...
What The Freekin C??
Hard to follow all you write. I was introduced to all the laws and theories you mentioned in physics and chemistry courses but your extensions to the spiritual connections are hard to follow. God bless you for trying.
‘Time is not a function of the speed of light. Time is a function of the frequency of consciousness divided by the speed of light’
Thus the gift of prophesy is a function of raising one’s consciousness to a point where they can perceive the future.
This is also the reason for the time distortion between Heaven and earth.
Ah, time for more caffeine Dutch Boy :)
I have no little experience in such things, and perceive that you are gravely misled by the Evil One. Please repent immediately and return to the Faith, once and for all delivered to the saints. Your very soul hangs in the balance!
One can look at any number of scientific studies on the search for intelligent life and see that a likely reason we don’t get responses to SETI is because of the number of factors required for planets to host life and the vast distances between stars and galaxies.
There was a song in the 90s that sums it up. God wants to “keep ‘em separated” ... probably for good reason.
Factually speaking this does NOT occur.
It takes life to create life. It does not arise from non living matter.
Where does that webpage say that he is not a Mormon?
One of his books on Amazon:
“MORMONISM. The Faith of the Twenty-first Century. Volume 1”
https://www.amazon.com/MORMONISM-Faith-Twenty-first-Century-1/dp/1894161009/
“Edward K. Watson lives close to Vancouver Canada. He is married to Eppie Lida and they have three sons, Edward Ryan III, Daniel Kenneth and Justin Amadeus. He is an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and served a voluntary two-year church mission to the Philippines. He uses the most advanced Bible-study aids in existence and has put in over 30,000 hours researching and writing about Mormonism and biblical studies which is compiled in the eight-volume MORMONISM Series.”
He was telling us that we are so imperfect that even the most pious/faithful of us is incapable of more than an inkling of true faith...else, we would be able to perform our own sort of miracles/tremendous feats. And more relevantly, he was telling us that even those who walked the earth with Him and observed Him, were incapable. Without His tremendously loving sacrifice, we would all be doomed.
If God exists, and if God created life, and if God created man, then there can be no scientific basis for an incontrovertible belief that God created life elsewhere in the Universe.
Whether you believe God created Adam and Eve whole and alone to populate the earth, or believe in “Creative Design” by which God eventually created man on earth, it does not logically follow that God HAD TO HAVE created life elsewhere in the Universe.
To belive that life exists elsewhere in the Universe, you either can’t believe in God but believe we are a happy accident of a Godless “big bang”, and there are other happy accidents out there, or you do believe in God but believe he intentially created life on other planets or he lost track of them and they had happy accidents on their own.
At the end of the day, there is no logical, scientific, or theological basis to assume there is life anywhere in the Universe but on the earth. To do so is to indulge in a general casual lazy belief that there just “HAS TO BE OTHER LIFE” out there because 1) the Universe is to big not to or, 2) you believe that infinite possibilities of random chance just HAS TO result in some other life forming somewhere or, 3) you can’t accept our uniqueness.
But if you logically think it through, scientifically, it is just possible that every “inhabitable” body in the Universe just turns out to be too hostile being too hot or too cold or too toxic or too light or too heavy or too windy to support any form of life. And yes, I am well aware that theoretically life could be based on elements other than Carbon, as all life on earth is Carbon based such as Silicon, Tin or Lead.
Can such elements form DNA or could some other life form be comprised such as that DNA is not required? I don’t have the scientific background to know.
I just know that “just because” is not a good reason to believe life exists beyond earth. “But the Universe is so huge”, is another illogical reason for the belief.
I believe God put us on earth. I recognize the possibility God has filled the Universe with other forms of life for his amusement and pleasure but my bible gives me no reason to believe in such an option, and therefore I don’t. Scientifically, not only have we never been visited by ETs to suggest they exist, but every “inhabitable” planet I’ve read about being discovered or discussed, every single one turns out to be completely hostile to Carbon based life and there is no-one making a serious discussion for any EVIDENCE of life based on Silicon, Tin or Lead.
I’m puzzled that you would say this. Every reference in the article is from the Bible. Don’t you believe the universe exists and there are stars, galaxies, and planets in uncountable trillions upon trillions?
So, when the Bible says Jesus created the universe, are you thinking he created something different than what we see? When God gave his Son the universe for an inheritance (John 3:35; Heb 1:2; 2:10), are you thinking of some other universe? What other universe is Jesus to have complete dominion over (1 Cor 15:25-28; Eph 1:9-10,20-23) unless it is this one?
When the true Christian is promised that we will “reign together” with Jesus (2 Tim 2:12) and share EVERYTHING he is and has (Heb 3:14) and sit together with him on his throne (Rev 3:21), how exactly do you understand it if you believe this universe of ours exists? How else can any honest Christian interpret these powerful passages about our God and of his divine promises to those who faithfully follow him?
If you do not believe what the Bible says about God’s promises to the true Christian, that’s up to you. But I do not think it is fair to credit Mormons with having a monopoly on biblical truth.
I have suggested this many times to people.
It is funny that the same people who can easily accept, rightly or wrongly,the evolutionary theory that the entire species of Homo Sapiens on earth came from one single ancestor — Lucy or whoever is in vogue these days — the first ever Homo Sapien after the missing link that evolved into modern Homo Sapiens...
Long sentence, anyway it is funny that these same people who readily accept we have a common evolutionary ancestor, cannot possibly accept that perhaps whatever life will be spread throughout the Universe could come from a single solitary source, man on earth. They just assume something must be out there because the Universe is so vast that other happy accidents just must have occurred. No application of logic whatsoever.
there was a Star Trek episode about silicon based life.
I haven’t seen that episode in many years. But as a I recall, the creature was silicon based, and lived in conditions which we couldn’t survive in.
Which leads me to the thought, that there could be life elsewhere, which can survive in places which are inhospitable to human or other carbon based life. Is it at least possible that such life could exist?
Stanton Friedman shreds such equations with humor and wit. There are so many unknowable variables, the equations, essentially, are absurd nonsense.
Truth. We do not even have a theory for abiogenesis — creating life from non-living inorganic matter.
Sadly, a lot of scientists just believe life just popped up on the earth. Given enough time and all the atoms in the periodic chart, throw them together and one of these days you get a DNA equipped self-replicating organic cell. Abracadabra. It’s like magic.
Meanwhile, those scientists who realize this is impossible make a pretty darn good case, as described below.
“The problem of the early evolution of life and the unfounded optimism of scientists was well put by Dawkins. He concluded that Earth’s chemistry was different on our early, lifeless, planet, and that at this time there existed
“...no life, no biology, only physics and chemistry, and the details of the Earth’s chemistry were very different. Most, though not all, of the informed speculation begins in what has been called the primeval soup, a weak broth of simple organic chemicals in the sea. Nobody knows how it happened but, somehow, without violating the laws of physics and chemistry, a molecule arose that just happened to have the property of self-copying—a replicator. This may seem like a big stroke of luck... Freakish or not, this kind of luck does happen... [and] it had to happen only once... What is more, as far as we know, it may have happened on only one planet out of a billion billion planets in the universe. Of course many people think that it actually happened on lots and lots of planets, but we only have evidence that it happened on one planet, after a lapse of half a billion to a billion years. So the sort of lucky event we are looking at could be so wildly improbable that the chances of its happening, somewhere in the universe, could be as low as one in a billion billion billion in any one year. If it did happen on only one planet, anywhere in the universe, that planet has to be our planet—because here we are talking about it (Dawkins, 1996, pp. 282–283, emphasis in original).”
http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/36/36_4/abiogenesis.html
Of course this is specific to earth’s carbon based life. Could there be simpler life forms out there in the universe based on some other element that does not require DNA, with its massive complexity and perfect order. I don’t believe it myself.
If you read my post 37, I included an excerpt from an article called “Why Abiogenesis Is Impossible” by Doctor
Jerry Bergman as to why life can’t rise from non-living matter. If Silicon based life exists on planets too hostile for Carbon based life, it would have to be because God put it there. I have no basis to believe he would do that.
Life can’t be an accident. Living matter can’t form itself accidentally from it’s separate components whether it is based on Carbon, Silicon, or Lead.
You are correct. The prescient book The Paranormal Conspiracy discusses this in depth.
Thanks. Yes. Good to mention that one, too.
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