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Why did the left turn on antifa? (vanity, discussion question)

Posted on 09/03/2017 12:31:20 PM PDT by Cubs Fan

I have to say I was really shocked to see a lot of leftists come out against antifa (though of course not all-- Elizabeth Edwards). I'm shocked because the left always embraces and protects its extremists, no matter what they do (for example black lives matter thugs). This is the only time I have seen them do this, so what's the deal?


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KEYWORDS: antifa; antifaviolence; colleges; democrats; left; publicschools; teachers; universities
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To: Cubs Fan

They haven’t. Until we see mass arrests there is no indication they are serious. This is lip service which will stop as soon as they need the unrest again.


21 posted on 09/03/2017 12:43:19 PM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumper sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: rktman

The next step will be to try and paint Auntie Fa as right wing.


22 posted on 09/03/2017 12:43:38 PM PDT by joshua c (To disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives)
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To: Cubs Fan

Deniability. That’s all.

A few Dems may not yet realize their party is the Soros party, so a little deniability is in order. But antifa/BLM/et all are DNC’s good squads. Most Dems are fine with it as long as they are beating up Repubs or anyone who can be accused of being a Repub.


23 posted on 09/03/2017 12:43:46 PM PDT by marron
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To: BenLurkin

Waste of time, commenting...


24 posted on 09/03/2017 12:44:11 PM PDT by publius911 (Seriously??)
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To: Cubs Fan

Because it was not helping them and actually turns out to be a threat to them as well.


25 posted on 09/03/2017 12:44:47 PM PDT by Reno89519 (Drain the Swamp is not party specific. Lyn' Ted is still a liar, Good riddance to him.)
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To: Cubs Fan

Antifa became prominent because the Democrats lost the election and weren’t controlling the agenda. If Hillary had won, she’d be promoting her own agenda and we would never have heard of them. Now the party leadership wants to reclaim the limelight and the initiative, and even outlets that gave antifa attention earlier recognize that the group’s tactics are likely to turn people against them and against the left as a whole.


26 posted on 09/03/2017 12:46:10 PM PDT by x
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To: Cubs Fan

There usefulness has expired.
But fear not for they will be reincarnated.
All angry leftist groups are eventually the same.
Angry,destructive and demanding...And law breaking.
There is no freedom to destroy other people’s property or to assault people.


27 posted on 09/03/2017 12:46:57 PM PDT by Leep (Less talk more ACTiON!)
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To: Cubs Fan

They realized that ordinary non-commie, non-ultra-left, non-Islamophile, non-maniacs were starting to see the truth of what I often say: that there is nothing left of the old extreme left that is extreme to them any more.

The DNC was being revealed as a hive of scum and villainy and the media has been slowly reinforcing that fact rather than covering it up.

But the genie is out of the bottle. Leftists that I had previously considered capable of rational thought have started skipping like a proverbial record where the needle is filthy and the LP warped. Leftist that previously sounded like that now often come off as deranged.

And I think a lot of it has to do with a steadfast refusal to get properly mad that Hillary, ever the crook, had to cheat her way through the nomination process to defeat an even loonier socialist nut than she is (I’m not gonna say he’s more honest than she is, but she certainly has had many, many millions to screw people over about ... plus a mess o’bodies ... to demonstrate that she’s a crook).

They continue to circle the wagons around her and are so invested in it they just may give her the nomination in 2020.


28 posted on 09/03/2017 12:47:30 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Cubs Fan

It is nothing if not perfectly consistent with their normal power-seeking. Because even they, with their 78 IQ points, are beginning to see parallels with (most recent example) Occupy Wall St. and the parallels to the 70’s radical Democrat activities. Both of which led to substantial and longlasting Republican gains in all theaters. They can see where this is going and what they themselves ultimately will become associated with. They learned, peering through their own mental fog, that the radicalism of the 0bama era is not one of appeal outside of their bubble. There is nothing ethical or positive about the beginning stages of their shift. They seek power and the brighter ones among them are starting to see that Antifa, a movement they cannot control, isn’t going to get them anything but trouble and has every indication of generating a distinct backlash.

In the short term, they love Antifa because the violence of Antifa appears to be directed against Trump, whom they hate. This is revelatory because they’re just reflexively adopting a very simplistic “enemy of my enemy” strategy, without regard to where Antifa will ultimately lead if the movement grows outside of a small but noisy splinter group.


29 posted on 09/03/2017 12:48:17 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

You’ve got it. They test everything with secret polling and when they realized how shocked people were they dropped Antifa like a hot potato. The Dems thought that their *cute* little trick of ordering the police to stand down while Antifa does its thug work would not be noticed by the public but people have more tools at their disposal today. You can go on youtube and see dozens of videos of Antifa in action and the comment sections inform people of things they may have missed.


30 posted on 09/03/2017 12:48:30 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: Cubs Fan

The left is trying to stop Trump from ending DACA by showing they have the ability to stop bashing him.

This is all about DACA.


31 posted on 09/03/2017 12:48:58 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: Cubs Fan

Isn’t Elizabeth Edwards dead?


32 posted on 09/03/2017 12:49:06 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Cubs Fan

Study the history of Progressivism, in their own words.

It was invented in the early days of the 20th century because the American Communists realized that another bloody civil war, as required by Revolutionary Communists to upset the social and economic order in order to form the “fair” society based on Labor over Capital (see Marx for details), would not work in a large nation of individualists like the USA. They knew that the revolution would turn back on them really quick and the end would be quite final for Communism in this hemisphere.

So, they got the idea to use social pressure and a lot of patience to “progress” Americans towards collectivism. They did not set a deadline. They merely set an agenda and stuck to it for a century. They gained control of the media after WW2 by appealing to the “anti-fascist” feelings of the studio executives. They gained control of the universities from the start because college professors are the best Marxist cheerleaders.

But, then Antifa shows up (remember that it has existed since 1920 as the Revolutionary Communist organizations in every European nation). They are Bolsheviks, Revolutionary Communists. The Progressives are shocked to find that their century of patience and the “Nudge” was coming apart by these animals who want the bloody revolution, and they want it AFTER Americans spent 8 years accumulating more weapons and small arms ammo than all the armies of the Earth combined.

So, they have a real interest in seeing Antifa go away, really fast because once the shooting starts, we will not care who was a Progressive and who was a Bolshevik.


33 posted on 09/03/2017 12:50:03 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (If we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.)
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To: Cubs Fan

They can disown antifa because antifa will just change it’s name (again).


34 posted on 09/03/2017 12:50:24 PM PDT by cabojoe
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To: Cubs Fan

Looks like DJT was right again - violence on both sides.


35 posted on 09/03/2017 12:50:34 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: Cubs Fan

They really didn’t. It is just a PR move.


36 posted on 09/03/2017 12:50:45 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Not my circus. Not my monkeys.)
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To: Cubs Fan

They didn’t take into account that right-wingers would get video of all the violence and hate exhibited by antifa, and show it to all their moderate and slight-left friends and relatives, and these people would be repelled by the commies.


37 posted on 09/03/2017 12:53:44 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: Cubs Fan

Not really seeing any mass rejection from leading liberal leaders. Just lip service because they are getting whopped in the polls and in the pocket books. The democratic leadership has great love for ANTIFA and like minded groups. It harkens them back to their glory days of the 1960s.


38 posted on 09/03/2017 12:54:01 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Cubs Fan

IF you actually believe the left, the Democrats have rejected Antifa they have succeeded.

It’s a tactic. Never believe the unbelievable when it comes to a Democrat. Believe me it’s believable.


39 posted on 09/03/2017 12:54:07 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists Call 'em what you will, they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Gene Eric

Terry McAuliffe, 2020 frontrunner, nuked himself outta the race with his C-ville backfire and has to be replaced, hence the Antifa sudden snub.


40 posted on 09/03/2017 12:54:10 PM PDT by txhurl
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