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Hurricane Harvey Live Thread Part II
Various ^ | 8/26/2017 | Various

Posted on 08/26/2017 4:39:50 AM PDT by NautiNurse

Hurricane Harvey made landfall near Rockport TX about 10:00PM CDT Friday night. Top sustained winds were 130mph. Rockport High School sustained heavy damage when a portion of the roof collapsed. A senior housing complex collapsed. The Rockport courthouse sustained major damage with “a cargo trailer halfway in the building.” Multiple tornadoes reported in the Houston/Galveston areas. There are reports of scattered structural fires and a shooting was reported in Corpus Christi. Residents along the San Bernard River were advised to evacuate and most TX Gulf coast counties are under flash flood watches.

Many locations are under a boil-water notice. Power outages are widespread. President Donald Trump promptly granted a Disaster Declaration to Texas Governor Greg Abbott’s request. More than 700 members of the Texas Army and Air National Guards, Texas State Guard and the Texas Military Department have been activated and are positioning themselves throughout the state ahead of Hurricane Harvey and its anticipated landfall later this week. Ahead of the storm, FEMA sent supplies from its warehouse in Fort Worth to a staging point at Randolph Air Force Base near San Antonio.


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Thread I: Potentially Catastrophic Hurricane Harvey Approaches Texas Gulf Coast


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: harvey; hurricane; hurricaneharvey; livehurricaneharvey; nautinurse
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To: fatima

last HR alone 3.87 at airport

5 day rainfall 44.72 inches..I think that defines “storm total”


1,921 posted on 08/29/2017 10:05:25 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: janetjanet998
KFDM TV Beaumont/Port Arthur

This is excruciating redux of Houston flooding.

1,922 posted on 08/29/2017 10:10:09 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Tear down the Mexican Carrier plant and use the materials to build the wall)
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To: CedarDave

Current radar showing Houston Metro area all clear. Only problem is Northeast of Houston that has rain which might affect the watershed.


1,923 posted on 08/29/2017 10:19:02 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

Multi home fires burning in Port Arthur neighborhood.


1,924 posted on 08/29/2017 10:21:37 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Tear down the Mexican Carrier plant and use the materials to build the wall)
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To: topher
Radar shows lots of rain North of Jefferson County. Rain is almost to Shreveport/Tyler line along I-20 (but still South of this area.)

Streams/Rivers will flow South towards Liberty/Beaumont/Orange/Port Arthur.

1,925 posted on 08/29/2017 10:23:59 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher
Louisiana politicians are so incompetent that over 10 pumps in New Orleans are not working.

This is one good thing about Texas -- they have much better politicians compared to Louisiana, and great police/fire/national guard.

Mitch Landrieu responsible for all those non-functioning pumps in New Orleans along with a bunch of other Democrats...

1,926 posted on 08/29/2017 10:27:31 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: mrsmith

What fell upriver is going to come back downriver, so there’s usually a second go-round with flooding on coastal plains that is messier than the first. It can go on for weeks, depending upon just where the heaviest precipitation fell.


1,927 posted on 08/29/2017 10:30:47 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Galactic Overlord-In-Chief

WAPost already waxing on how they hope the Hurricane will cost Trump votes in Texas in 2020.

Their farticle, cooked out by some lib professors goes on about how some flooding along the Mississippi in 1928 hurt Hoover. And falsely claims that hurricane in 2012 didn’t help Obama, sure as hell was the reason he took Staten Island.


1,928 posted on 08/29/2017 10:47:04 PM PDT by Impy (Anyone who votes to raise taxes deserves to get rabies.)
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To: topher
If folks want to evacuate Jefferson County, TX, if they can get to I-10, they could go East in Louisiana.

The major problem is that the I-10 bridge on the Louisiana/Texas border is a low lying bridge and may flood.

But I believe I-10 is clear in Louisiana heading East. There is a problem with I=210 in Lake Charles.

Louisiana State Police facebook page has info on road closures.

Troop D is for Lake Charles area.

Troop I is for Lafayette.

On a cell phone, **LSP is the Louisiana State Police.

I don't know if folks should evacuate Jefferson County, Texas, but if one checks the roads and finds they will be clear, it might be an option...

1,929 posted on 08/29/2017 10:48:48 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: NautiNurse

this may be WORSE then the Houston area IMO....

by the ay looks like we lost even more oil refining capacity... around port Arthur now too


1,930 posted on 08/29/2017 10:49:12 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: topher

likely to late....as every road is likely flooded now

dire reports coming in


1,931 posted on 08/29/2017 10:51:09 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: KC Burke

Agreed. The whirlpool pic still didn’t create a good feeling though.


1,932 posted on 08/29/2017 10:55:07 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: janetjanet998

Local Wx guy in Port Arthur expects the worst rains to ease within an hour or so.


1,933 posted on 08/29/2017 10:59:45 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Tear down the Mexican Carrier plant and use the materials to build the wall)
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To: NautiNurse

yes the “dry slot” of the meso Low is moving into the city now

but heavy lottos heavy rain will fall north of Jefferson county overnight all coming down the rivers


1,934 posted on 08/29/2017 11:04:12 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: janetjanet998

another 2 inches last HR at the airport thats 25 inches for the day alone(the day officially ends at 1am with the clocks set 1 hr ahead)


1,935 posted on 08/29/2017 11:10:09 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: fatima

I have concerns about the old concrete gate structures. And so does ACE. They’ve executed some major repairs on them, and right now, theu’ve built cofferdams and dried in workspace to build completely new ones, which aren’t completed yet.

They announce plans to release water at 4000 cfs, video of which looks like max capacity, plus, mske a pointed oublic statement that they have no plans to run them harder than that, then, per a post here, run them at four times that.

I think the dams are in pretty solid shape for the task at hand. Well funded, used frequently and funded by a major metro area, not very tall etc.

I question why ACE would push the old gate structures. They know they can’t stop the spillovers. Oroville showed us what happens, when under planned aux spillways get used the first time, and what happens when obvious drainage problems adjacent to concrete used for heavy outflow are ignored. Maybe 16,000 cfs isn’t a strain, in their experience. Maybe it’s a bad number via bad reporting. Maybe ACE is feeling heat over 1000+ mid to high end homes flooding to 2nd story level for months, even though they never wanted them there to begin with. Maybe they know things about the aux spillways, or spillover pathways, or inflow rates we aren’t aware of. That 16,000 cfs number sticks out, and draws my attention.


1,936 posted on 08/29/2017 11:12:36 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: janetjanet998

ACE HAS mentioned they CAN run Addick at 8000, and Barker at 8,900, but they also said they had no plans to go past 8000, total for both.

The roller compacted concrete used for the aux spillways typically has no rebar in it. The spillover paths are not improved, or controlled, or even inspiring of confidence, they are random, thru neighborhoods. I could see strong measures to avoid using them. I don’t understand strong measures that cannot avoid using them and my experience is that hydro guys, always facing “Dam gonna fail?” mentalities, tend to play cards close to the vest. Solid theory, solid practice, but you have to pry info out of them. Their bureaucratic counterparts..ignorant, penny pinching fools who also wait too long to speak.


1,937 posted on 08/29/2017 11:23:05 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: CedarDave

Agreed, but the whirlpool definitely attracts attention.


1,938 posted on 08/29/2017 11:24:00 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: CedarDave

At Oroville, the peak inflows spiked to 200 kcfs but only for a period measured in hours. During the rest of the...event..they were down in the 100 kcfs range.

ACE reported that the Addick Barker system reduced peak thruput, during the Tax Day Flood, from 132 kcfs to 8, and that is the only infliw number I have seen.


1,939 posted on 08/29/2017 11:28:36 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: janetjanet998
Possibly, but Louisiana has not seen much rain. The tropical storm winds will head inland East of Lake charles.

The big problem would be to get to the I-10 bridge on the Louisiana/Texas state line over the Sabine River.

I believe there would be no problems after that in Louisiana.

I-10 has not had problems in Louisiana (with the exception of tree that fell down and was removed).

1,940 posted on 08/29/2017 11:43:29 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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