Head of Navy's 7th Fleet to be relieved of duty after second deadly mishap in Pacific

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[mewzilla]

Someone was not doing their job.

Anyone have any idea how many someones on each of these two vessels would have to screw up for these collisions to occur?

[mewzilla]

Or maybe it wasn’t a screw up.

[Travis McGee]

Exactly right. Add to that the elimination of Surface Warfare Officer’s school.

The PC lunatics are running the military into the ground. It shows up in events like this. Nobody in command dares to fire anyone for incompetence if “diversity” is in any way involved. If an incompetent OOD of color was fired the month before the collision, the CO would be charged with racism. So they allow incompetents to continue in positions like the OOD of a destroyer until the incompetence results in a disaster.

But nobody in the entire military dares to mention radically lowered standards.

[Stevenc131]

More diversity training would have solved the problem.

[Caipirabob]

Well, the key things I am looking for are;
1) any indication of hacked equipment - we have heard stories of lesser leaders permitting the purchase of computer components from China. Begging for trouble if these item are making their way into equipment used by the military
2) any officer who was placed by a lesser leader into a position and responsibility beyond their ability to fulfill.
3) outright incompetence. Lack of training has been discussed. It is easy to imagine our military resources are over stressed and lacking in appropriate training for new recruits.

The latter seems to as much a problem as anything. I expect a combination of the three.

[AndyJackson]

the buck usually stopped at the ship’s Captain.I

There was the third incident of the ship grounding in Tokyo Bay.

This is just utter widespread failures of seamanship, and the poor training falls upon everyone in the chain of command responsible for the training and operation of these ships.

[AndyJackson]

elimination of Surface Warfare Officer’s school.

Uh, whaaaaa????

This ain't my Navy.

[Robe]

You never have been on the bridge of a ship at sea ,have you.

It has been said that one should keep quite and let everyone believe you’re a fool, that to open it up and remove all doubt

[BuffaloJack]

Excellent!
Maybe we can clear out all the unfit and PC BS and get back to actually having a military that we can depend upon.

[New Jersey Realist]

Perhaps Obama reincarnated “McNamara’s 100,000” policy. Unfortunately I served back in those days and it was indeed a bad policy.

[SaveFerris]

[The answer was inevitably, “I never heard the call.” Then they’d play the recording and the pilot ‘heard it’ for the first time.]

I was wondering if that was what happened to Bob Lodge in Oyster flight in 1972. I had heard at least one jock say he turned off SAMs tracking him because he had the AIM-9’s growling along with the chatter on the radio and it was too much. The F-4 trailing Lodge and Locher said Lodge never broke when warned of the 2 MiG-19 (copies) that came up from below in between him and his wingman.

I had wondered it was info overload or turned down for the fight as Lodge and Locher were on a kill streak.

Yikes

[GailA]

His next in command will go to. 2 ships collide under same commander’s watch, heads roll. To bad they can’t get his pension too.

[SaveFerris]

[Deep down in that cold, wicked, evil and ABANDONED heart of his, he is happy when he hears about American failures.

Every once in a while, I just get swept up and wonder how 7 years after 9/11, the USA got completely usurped by him and whoever the hell his handlers are.]



There are forces at work; be they natural or supernatural, that allowed such an obvious fraud to be allowed to ascend to the most powerful office in the world. He all but admitted to being "an" antichrist with his April Fool's "joke" last year. He's so in your face about it, something is giving him that kind of evil confidence. He was and is a true Manchurian Candidate and 1/2 of the country is too stupid to recognize him for what he is.

[Travis McGee]

Yep. Read all about it in the comments here.
They get a few hours of computer simulations and are sent to the fleet for OJT.

Couple that with standards radically lowered to accommodate the “diversity uber alles” mindset, and you get OODs who can’t con a ship safely. If they were fired for cause a month before the collisions, the COs would have been charged with bigotry etc, so the skippers just cross their fingers and hope a collision (or worse) won’t occur.

http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2017/08/and-now-mccain.html#disqus_thread

[SaveFerris]

above

[xzins]

Standards and common sense are the lifesblood of the military. Use the standards until common sense alerts you that the standards might need tweaking.

[bert]

The navy ship was hit close to the stern. That is, the ship almost made it. Had it been traveling faster or the container vessel been a mite slower, the navy vessel would have been clear.

My take is the navy vessel misjudged the speeds of both vessels and didn’t make it in time

[NonValueAdded]

Another post on a related article (can’t put my fingers on it right now), said there were FOUR recent collisions, not just these two (albeit only 2 in the 7th). There should be firings up to and including CINCPAC and the CNO for failure to take appropriate steps. Another post said due to staffing issues, there is only a SINGLE lookout and he’s stationed on the fantail. Are you chitting me? We are down TWO DDGs in a theatre that has gone red hot due to the norks. This puts a big hole in our BMD capability. Heads SHOULD roll. Anyone promoted to flag rank by Øbama should be beached and Mattis should reach out to those officers sacked by zippy and bring ‘em back on board.

[AndyJackson]

I suppose the Navy has considered dispensing with flight school as well, but I don’t even want to know.

[Presbyterian Reporter]

How does a Navy destroyer get hit in the port aft by a tanker going 9.2 knots?

Granted it was a typical morning rush hour into Singapore. But somehow the McCain got itself in the way of the Alnic MC, got hit, and 10 sailors are likely dead.

Check out the tracking video of the Alnic and others. It is surprising there were not other accidents dodging the disabled McCain and Alnic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlrA36GzHNs