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Deputies confiscate a CNY veteran's guns. They were wrong. What happened?
Post Standard Syracuse NY ^ | July 31, 2017 | By Elizabeth Doran edoran@syracuse.com,

Posted on 07/31/2017 7:11:43 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

Don Hall was sitting in his living room watching TV with his girlfriend about 9:30 p.m. earlier this year when he was startled by flashing police car lights in his driveway.

Hall met the Oneida County sheriff's deputies in the driveway, worried that they were bringing bad news about a family member.

Instead, the deputies produced an official document demanding that Hall, a 70-year-old Vietnam veteran who is a retired pipefitter, turn over his guns to them on the spot. On the document Hall said he was described as "mentally defective."

When Hall told police he'd never had any mental issues, Hall said, deputies told him he must have done something that triggered the order under the New York state's SAFE Act.

The deputies left that night with six guns - two handguns and four long guns.

Hall, who lives in the Oneida County hamlet of Taberg, hired a lawyer and secured affidavits from local hospitals to prove he hadn't been recently treated...Eventually, his lawyer convinced a judge that authorities had him confused with someone else who had sought care and that his weapons should never have been seized.

To this day, no one at a hospital or the state and local agencies involved in taking Hall's guns has admitted to Hall that a mistake was made, explained what happened or apologized....

Hall said the only time he had been a patient at any of the hospitals was four years ago when he had a sleep apnea test...

(Hall's lawyer) believes another patient from Oneida County with Hall's name was treated at the hospital and flagged for a mental health issue. Somehow that man's Social Security number got mixed up with Hall's, thus creating the error, the lawyer said.

(Excerpt) Read more at syracuse.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; leo; mentalhealth; newyork; safe; safeact; veterans; vietnamvets
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Not entirely related, but...

I have an uncommon last name. It’s Polish, but doesn’t end with “ski”.

So there’s another guy up in Illinois with the same name (first and last). He’s younger than I am, and has less-than-perfect credit.

Despite the fact that our paths have never crossed, nor have we had the same employers or lived in the same places, the credit reporting agencies keep comingling our records. About 10 years ago, I had to dispute multiple items from his report that had bled onto mine.

Recently I went to check my credit and one of the agency’s questions to gain access to my report had obviously been drawing from his report. When I answered the questions accurately, I couldn’t get access to my credit report. Now I’m locked out of it.

Now I have to make a paper request, which involves sending in copies of identity documents and related details. I affectionately refer to that as an “identity theft kit in an envelope”. God help us if anyone intercepts envelopes from consumers going to credit reporting agencies.

It’s easy for me to believe this gentleman’s medical records got mixed up. I’d even bet that the original source was already corrected but the erroneous info continues to spread through the various organizations who “manage” data.


21 posted on 07/31/2017 7:55:00 AM PDT by chrisser
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

To this day, no one at a hospital or the state and local agencies involved in taking Hall’s guns has admitted to Hall that a mistake was made, explained what happened or apologized

This is fixed rather easily, just ARREST AND PROSECUTE EVERYONE with Access to those Records from the Hospital.

see Twin Peaks biker case.


22 posted on 07/31/2017 7:56:00 AM PDT by eyeamok (Idle hands are the Devil's workshop)
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To: LIConFem

That may be so. The clinic in this town had my SSN before I ever visited. They asked me whether it was correct the first time I went in.


23 posted on 07/31/2017 7:56:22 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: George from New England
DONT GIVE ANYONE YOUR SSN. Police have no business with it. No business has a legal reason to have it.

Easy to say, but you won't get services if you don't cooperate. What are you supposed to do, file suit every time a credit card company asks for your social? Because they ask every time you call. The doctor has it too, want to lose a doctor? How about the bank? They don't have to serve you if you don't please them. Unless they're baking a cake.

24 posted on 07/31/2017 8:02:27 AM PDT by Buttons12
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To: ghostkatz
What will we submit to...

Name it.

I will not comply.

I will not submit.

25 posted on 07/31/2017 8:04:00 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." - Will Rogers)
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To: LIConFem
Are you a vet or retired military? Your SSN IS your health insurance #. Your SSN IS your military ID #. Its on every piece of paper the military has referenced to you.

IT IS my ID#, wheather I like it or not.

26 posted on 07/31/2017 8:06:12 AM PDT by Delta 21
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Here's the proper link to that article:

Firearms group raises $500 for local man following mixup

27 posted on 07/31/2017 8:07:54 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." - Will Rogers)
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To: Delta 21

>>Why wait until 9:30pm to serve this on a 70 year old vet? Was it an emergency situation or did everyone just need a little overtime?

They wanted to beat on the door, alert the man inside, and maybe get to shoot him for “failing to instantly obey”.


28 posted on 07/31/2017 8:09:45 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (If we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.)
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To: chrisser

Be glad that other guy doesn’t have a criminal record.

I had a client who moved to MO recently and couldn’t land a job, even though he had an excellent work history. Someone at one of the employers who rejected him hinted that there was an issue with his criminal history, so he paid a service to run a criminal records search. Turns out there’s a man in Indiana with the same first, middle, and last names, and the same date of birth. The guy in Indiana has done prison time, and his convictions show up on my client’s record. My client has never lived in Indiana.

Thankfully, the two men’s Social Security numbers have not gotten mixed up, but that’s cold comfort for my client when the background checking services don’t pay attention to these things.


29 posted on 07/31/2017 8:10:43 AM PDT by Huntress ("Politicians exploit economic illiteracy." --Walter Williams)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
It sure was necessary to get a New Mexico driver’s license when I moved there in 2000. They would not even accept a U.S. passport as identification.

You should have just said "No Habla Inglais," and Bill Richardson would personally deliver you a new DL, no questions asked.

30 posted on 07/31/2017 8:10:49 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Keepin' it analog.)
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To: Bryanw92

They had to wait until he was home from work?


31 posted on 07/31/2017 8:11:38 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: Delta 21

No, I’m not retired (or active) Military, which is probably why I was ignorant on the matter.


32 posted on 07/31/2017 8:11:51 AM PDT by LIConFem
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Pigs and mindless drones.


33 posted on 07/31/2017 8:12:24 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP THAT POS PAUL RYAN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)
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To: Huntress

Never occurred to me to check criminal records.

So far that hasn’t been an issue, but you never know.


34 posted on 07/31/2017 8:14:16 AM PDT by chrisser
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To: Delta 21

I joined the army in 1958 my service number is not my ssn.


35 posted on 07/31/2017 8:20:57 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

Yet, President Jimmy Peanut, made all of us, have our SSN replace our military ID #, on our dog tags, to ID each of us on all military records.


36 posted on 07/31/2017 8:26:47 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Just another reason to get out of NYS.


37 posted on 07/31/2017 8:43:31 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: George from New England

Hard to get any sort of healthcare these days if you haven’t already provided a SSN - unless you can prove you’re an illegal invader....


38 posted on 07/31/2017 8:45:48 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
It sure was necessary to get a New Mexico driver’s license when I moved there in 2000. They would not even accept a U.S. passport as identification.

That's cause you're not an illegal.

39 posted on 07/31/2017 8:47:07 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
Ads one British soldier said, “The Lord Chamberlain of our time.”
40 posted on 07/31/2017 8:47:16 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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