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To: fr_freak
I didn't see anyone on here advocating hating all black people.

I can't stress strongly enough how utterly underwhelming your psychoanalysis is. I know who the f-ck I am, and I'm not imagining a d-mn thing. So pardon me if I tell you you have no idea what you're talking about, at least with respect to your shallow analysis of the inner workings of my brain.

Now—as for seeing anyone on here advocating for hating all black people, I don't recall seeing much of that here either.

Now, how about the person—a grown adult, presumably—who said "I've never met a black who wasn't racist"? I'm not sure about overt hatred, but it's definitely broad-brushing, wouldn't you say?

Why don't you subject him some of your incisive psychoanalysis?

If we see clear evidence that there is a strong strain of anti-white racism that exists in the black American community (and a lot of other communities quite frankly) and that anti-white racism is manifesting itself in horrendous acts of murder, rape and theft against white people specifically because they are white, then recognizing that fact does not equate to "Hating or even blaming those who aren't engaging in racially-motivated attacks—simply because they share the same skin color ".

I'm not saying that it does equate to that. But it certainly can in some people, and I've seen that precise reaction before, even if not in this particular thread.

In fact, your reaction is identical to that of the Left in their efforts to protect the muslims.

There's lies, and there's damn lies, and that's a damn lie.

How convenient. How very cut-and-dried. How sloppy and propagandist of you.

How many Leftists do you know who note that there's far more racism in the Black community than there is in the White community? Zero, that's how many.

How many Leftists make it a point to decry the total lack of fathers in the Black community, resulting in young men who grow up without any positive male role model? Zero, that's how many.

If you're going to resort to insults like that—insults which expose such breathtaking naiveté—then I have no further interest in engaging in this "discussion".

Hey, I've got an idea! While you're spewing ignorant insults, why don't you question my patriotism as well? That would be equally as cogent.

Good day.

115 posted on 07/30/2017 6:04:46 PM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: sargon
Let me clarify, so you can calm down a bit. I'm not saying you're a leftist, nor am I saying you are trying to protect muslims, nor are you deliberately using leftist tactics, nor any other such thing. I am just saying that your reaction to this discussion is identical to the one we see used in virtually every discussion of this type that occurs in the public sphere. It wasn't my intention to say anything bad about your character, but only to try to get you to see that this sort of response is conditioned, deliberately, so that no rational discussion of real events can occur. We have ALL been subject to this conditioning, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US, for decades, and we are all still affected by it to some degree or another to the point where we self-censor.

Now, you may deny that you have been affected by this sort of conditioned response, but you can't deny that your first response to people pointing out patterns of racist misbehavior by black people was to accuse them of bigotry and seeing all black people as a threat. If you review what people actually said, you'll see that NOTHING like that was said - it was a conclusion you jumped to. Even the guy who said he never met a black person who wasn't racist - how do we know that isn't true? Maybe he's only met 5 black people in his life and they were all racist (that is certainly possible in my experience, and I've met a lot more than 5).

The replies on this thread up to our discussion were all of the nature: there are black people targeting white people for crime. I didn't see anything that said "All black people are targeting white people for crime" or "All black people are bad" yet, rather than discuss the state of affairs between the two communities, or discuss the circumstances of the original article, we got drastically derailed by your immediate accusations of broad hatred and bigotry. This is the conditioned response of which I speak. If we can't get past all of the knee-jerk "racism racism racism" stuff, we can't ever discuss any solutions to anything, ever, that involve race, nor can we discuss how to protect ourselves from an obvious pattern of attack, because first, we have to defend ourselves continually against a person, such as yourself, who looks to attack US for looking to identify and address an obvious problem.

The reason I brought up the muslim thing is because I was hoping you'd see the parallel. Most people in the US are bewildered by why a country like Sweden or Germany would import thousands if not millions of these thugs into their countries and simply think that the Euros are stupid or have gone mad. But the truth is, that every time a Swede protests what is happening to his country and people, every time a German takes note of the fact that pretty much all terrorism is islamic, every time some euro decries the fact that euro women are beingn raped left and right, there are throngs of people who scream "racism! bigotry! how can you paint all muslims with the same brush? hatred!" and the discussion devolves into accusations and defense EXACTLY as is occurring here, and the real issue, once again, is ignored while it worsens. I hoped you would see that it is an EXACT PARALLEL, and it might make you stop and think "Hey, maybe my reaction was a little knee-jerk, and maybe some of these people who are complaining about black behavior have had actual bad experiences that justify their concerns."

Here's a thought exercise:
If I say "White people can be racist." you're reaction is...what? Maybe, "Sure, some of them can. That's true."

Now if I say, "Black people can be racist." Is your reaction, "Hey, whoa! No need to tar an entire race of people with the same brush! What's with the hatred?"
117 posted on 07/30/2017 9:58:55 PM PDT by fr_freak
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