Reminds me of this.
Posted on 06/26/2017 5:56:24 AM PDT by AU72
TOKYO, June 26 (Reuters) - A U.S. warship struck by a container vessel in Japanese waters failed to respond to warning signals or take evasive action before a collision that killed seven of its crew, according to a report of the incident by the Philippine cargo ship's captain.
Multiple U.S. and Japanese investigations are under way into how the guided missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald and the much larger ACX Crystal container ship collided in clear weather south of Tokyo Bay in the early hours of June 17
Those who died were in their berthing compartments, while the Fitzgerald's commander was injured in his cabin, suggesting that no alarm warning of an imminent collision was sounded.
What! No sounding an alarm. Blinking lights don’t wake up a sleeping watch.
LOL, I must have said that a dozen times since this started.
It is so true...
Maybe some others can chime in, but I don’t believe we are searching and boarding vessels except in the Persian Gulf, and only under very specific conditions.
Anyone know about this?
1. Be skeptical, but of all theories, not just the one you find silly.
2. Just because someone proposes a personal theory does not mean you have to accept it. Only that you give it consideration with all due skeptical..ness.
3. The Israeli's use what I believe is called the Ninth Man System. The Ninth man takes the most bizarre or most unlikely, or most crazy position on the subject under consideration. The theory is that you never know when he might be right, so it must be considered before making an important decision.
I don’t know how you sneak up on a us navy warship at all, much less an aegis destroyer, without someone screwing the pooch . . . but I’m certainly going to wait until I get more disinterested information than something the capatain of the ramming vessel has to say.
. . . and if that is true, why did it steam on, seemingly oblivious to the collision, for an hour?
That is completely true...it would make a great Bond movie plot, complete with Bond jumping off Mount Fuji with his paraglider emblazoned with the Union Jack and sailing out the American warship disabled by the Russian/NORK EMP weapon!
He’s saying the impact occurred 10 minutes after the command “hard right helm”. That is a long time.
All you have to do is hit the antenna.
Isn't that CNN's mission statement ?
“In the first detailed account from one of those directly involved, the cargo ship’s captain said the ACX Crystal had signalled with flashing lights after the Fitzgerald “suddenly” steamed on to a course to cross its path.
The container ship steered hard to starboard (right) to avoid the warship, but hit the Fitzgerald 10 minutes later at 1:30 a.m., according to a copy of Captain Ronald Advincula’s report to Japanese ship owner Dainichi Investment Corporation that was seen by Reuters.”
“The Ninth Man”...I saw that movie too...:)
By its very nature, skepticism is involved any time you are using logic to examine things. In cases like these, though, I do not discount anything, including terrorism, especially in a post 9/11 world (as I have explicitly said in half a dozen to a dozen separate postings).
However, if you are going to look at anything in a logical manner, you have to stratify things.
In looking at human error in ship collisions between civilian vessels and warships in modern history, probably 95-99% are due to human error, and I am guessing closer to 99% than 95%. This is just a guess, I don’t know. But if someone can find me an example out of 100 maritime collisions that aren’t due mostly to human failure with some small component of natural mechanical failure built in, I would like to see it.
Some portion of what is left over is due to mechanical failure only throughout modern history.
And if we get generous, we might even allow an example of a civilian vessel intentionally, though hostile intent, ramming a military warship on the high seas. (The USS Cole does not count, nor do the interactions over the years with Soviet vessels during the Cold War, as those are simply hostile by nature and not civilian vessels no matter how the Soviets classified them)
As a matter of fact, it has never happened to a US warship in modern history, and the obstacles to making it happen, especially choosing a 30,000 ton vessel to carry out the assignment, is so miniscule that treating it with a comment saying it is “easy” is just not true, and is, in fact, risible.
It happened to me when we were undergoing exercises off San Diego. A junior OOD (who was not particularly adept) was in charge and as Comm officer of equal rank I was also on the bridge. He was getting too close to shore as shown by the depth finder. I notified a senior officer (likely the XO IIRC) who took charge and stopped our approach.
Reminds me of this.
I agree. I kind of think this makes the thread go off the rails as well.
Yep
Another disgrace is the wild, silly, opinions being expressed regarding this incident on FR.
A site known for clear thinking and rationality.
“”Multiple U.S. and Japanese investigations are under way into how the guided missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald and the much larger ACX Crystal container ship collided in clear weather south of Tokyo Bay in the early hours of June 17.””
Any information on whether or not there was any cloud cover?
Someone posted the moon was 3/4 full that night. Correct?
That is as likely as blocking a train, or several trains. The ACX Crystal weighs 39,000 tons loaded. That's 78 million pounds.
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