Posted on 06/21/2017 3:42:08 PM PDT by Mariner
The Air Force has provided the House a classified report on restarting the F-22 Raptor fighter jet program, congressional staff said Tuesday.
The House Armed Services Committee received the report two days ago, but staff said it was still being reviewed.
House lawmakers ordered the report last year to determine what it would take and how much it might cost to begin producing the high-tech, fifth generation aircraft again.
Congress voted in 2009 to stop purchasing the F-22 stealth fighters after just 187 were made, hundreds less than the Air Force had planned.
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Everything Bathhouse Barry could do to weaken, cripple, restrain, sully, degenerate, incite insurrection in, pervert, twist, corrupt or place further in debt, America, he did.
Oh here and there he pretended to do something, just to keep the ruse going. He was, is and always will be, a destroyer of America. Along with his goon squad. Including the criminals Hillary, Bill and Comey.
“Also build a modern version of the A-10 Warthog and give it to the Marines. Use what already works and add updated Technology.”
Umm, Marines won’t take it unless it leaks hydrolic fluid.....
The real question shouldn’t be F-22 v. F-35 but why we need fighter pilots in the first place. With the state of radars and missiles, I don’t think there will ever be another meaningful dogfight with a US aircraft, aerial combat will be done from standoff range in the future, if at all.
Put the money into drones and figure out how to remove more Americans from the battlefields.
Was working on Okinawa when the F-22s had their 1st Pacific deployment.
It was a blast seeing them mock dog-fight with Kadena's F-15s - turning radius of the Raptor is insane.
“The real question shouldn’t be F-22 v. F-35 but why we need fighter pilots in the first place.”
That’s a mistake that’s been made by SecDefs in the past.
Your drones are awesome until somebody hacks them and uses them to destroy your SAMs and bombers.
Meat in the seat - accept no substitute.
I don't know about that; I recall the F-35 having a bunch of problems with its software — one reason I heard was likely was because they were using C++ instead of Ada (which is common in military and aviation) due to not being able to hire Ada programmers
, which is an obvious untruth (either cop-out or lie, I don't know), but when dealing with a project this big, you can afford to train your programmers to use the proper tools, and I've talked with a few Ada programmers who would love to work with it professionally.
There was a study done by [IIRC] IBM some decades ago on the cost of software development and one interesting thing they found was that a 'bug' was an order of magnitude more costly to fix each next step in the process. So, a $1,000,000 bug caught after production would have cost $100,000 to fix in testing, $10,000 in implementation, $1,000 in design, and possibly $100 in analysis. — One of the reasons Ada has a strong presence in military and aeronautics hardware is precisely because it does help catch errors earlier.
There's some interesting comparisons online like this study comparing Ada and C's development costs, this slide from an uploaded set of slides in HTML (the integration time mentioned there is astoundingly good for the scope of the F-22), and this comparison of SPARK (Ada's provable subset) and Rust.
There were a good few Republicans in on it as well — I seem to recall McCain being the leader on the charge to kill the project.
At last. Something right.
Just don’t let Lockheed build them.
The USA owns all the rights and tooling. Boeing builds great airplanes in St. Louis. Build ‘em there under license.
Lockheed has already effed up enough stuff.
License the construction. It was done all the time in the War.
All the A-10s are just about rebuilt. Don’t be silly, the Marines just have to have a “jump jet”. For what reason I simply can’t fathom. I’d think the A-10 could be made carrier capable though?
A new batch of updated F-15E type aircraft would be a capitol idea.
“The real question shouldn’t be F-22 v. F-35 but why we need fighter pilots in the first place.”
This air to air shoot down in Syria is the first we’ve had since 1999?!
The next step in drone technology will be swarming — no manned aircraft will withstand an attack by fifty networked supersonic drones. Manned aircraft will be for peacetime only!
Well, the Air Force doesn’t seem to like it. Army?
New chips and redesign sure as hell woudl not be cheap if Lockheed did it.
Lockheed does not deserve to build any more F-22s. The gubment owns the tooling so someone else can build the airplanes. There is a little plant in St. Louis that does a good job and another one in Wichita.
Then they should happily take over the entire F-15E fleet!
You might want to run that one by the Syrian pilot who got whacked earlier this week?
There was also a time when horses and mass formations were needed in warfare. Technology made them an unnecessary burden that didn't win wars. I don't have numbers handy, but for each fighter sortie behind enemy lines, dozens of hours of training are spent, thousands of gallons of jet fuel, and dozens of CSAR personnel, early warning monitors and logistics trail people get placed on watch. Take the meat out of the seat and you save lives and money. Hacking is a lesser risk than shoot down. We have a decade and a half of experience that can be used to win the next war and save American lives, I think we should try to do it.
They sure have...
The SR-71,
U-2/TR-1
Have Blue
F-117
C-130
C-141
C-5
S-3 Viking
P-3 Orion
F-104 Starfighter
Constellation
L-1011
P-38 Lightning
Blk 60 F-16
Blk 70 F-16
The JASSM
The Javelin anti-tank missile
The MLRS
The LRASM
oh, and lest I forget,
F-22
just to name a few things Lockheed has "effed up".
Wow! Is Newt Gingrich back in DC pulling strings for the Cobb County economy? Are we seeing a Karen Handel winner effect already?
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