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To: ifinnegan
Syria is a failed state

That's Alice in Wonderland reasoning. Syria is a failed state because the Obama administration gave its full effort to orchestrating regime change there.

We keep hearing from everyone in DC "Assad is a bad guy". Huh? Assad was running his country just fine until the US armed and trained rebels.

28 posted on 06/18/2017 4:12:59 PM PDT by grania (Deplorable and Proud of It!)
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To: grania

Agreed. When Assad turns on CNN and sees the witch cackling about “we came, we saw, he died” regarding Libya, how do you think he is going to act when the same people bring their Arab Spring to his doorstep?


29 posted on 06/18/2017 4:20:15 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: grania

+1


33 posted on 06/18/2017 4:23:37 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: grania

Yep, that’s why the Bush administration as a matter of record almnost invaded Syria as well; cause Assad aided Al Qaeda and other militants attacking US forces. And that’s on a timeline. No doubt about it, back before 2008.

These threads get so much Iranian/Syrian/Russian prop nonsense.

I’d hate to see our foreign policy officials run this like some comments I read.


46 posted on 06/18/2017 5:25:13 PM PDT by BeadCounter (Trump; most pro-life president ever.)
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To: grania
We keep hearing from everyone in DC "Assad is a bad guy". Huh? Assad was running his country just fine until the US armed and trained rebels

You are absolutely right. Assad was such a peach when they were allowing terrorists to rest and refit in Syria, and they were coming back into Iraq with weapons and funding. I really enjoyed my time in Iraq with an Iranian proxy state arming terrorists to attack us......well before Emperor 0 ever announced his candidacy. Every Iraqi in Mosul was trying to alert us that the "chemyawi" (chemical weapons) was on an Iraqi military convoy to Syria.

I'm not advocating going to war with another country, and certainly not going to war with Russia over some islamic shithole. 0 was, is, and always will be a feckless idiot. He probably thought he'd be lauded as some kind of hero if "democracy" came to Syria.

There's a new Sheriff in town and the SDF are the least bad out of the three major factions, ISIS, SDF, and the regime. Which, Kurds make up a major portion of the SDF and is lead by the YPG -the peshmerga fought on our side during the Gulf War (we established a no fly zone to protect them), and then again during OIF I....I know, they were part of our defensive lines in 2003. We actually went to relieve them at a hospital they were protecting from Saddam's Fadahayin.

We have a long history of protecting the Kurds, and they have a long history of fighting on our side....even after we bailed in the Gulf War.

To the folks on here claiming we created ISIS to overthrow Asad, bullshit.

Abu Musab Al Zarqawi left Afghanistan (before the U.S. ever went into Iraq), and then sought to create an insurgency against the U.S.....again prior to the invasion of Iraq. He established an Al Qa'ida in Iraq stronghold.

He was 'reprimanded' by Ayman Al Zawhiri (then Al Qa'ida main #2; now the #1) for his ruthless oppression of Iraqi locals and furthering of sectarian strife.

After his death, AQI went through some transition, and in 2006 merged with multiple other Sunni islamic terror groups to form The Islamic State of Iraq.

The group later went under ground (with much of it in Syria) and decided to wait for the Feckless 0ne to withdrawal U.S. troops and create a security vacuum. Once instability struck Syria, the group merged and morphed again, this time fully organized by a former Iraqi Ba'athist intelligence officer. It declared itself a caliphate as the Islamic State of Iraq al Sham (Syria) and took over large swaths of Iraq and Syria.

ISIS broke with Al Qa'iadi (and is still following the Al Zarqawi school of thought and methods), and AQ loyalists went with Al Nusrah Front.

W lacked the political will to destroy them when he had the chance, choosing to not conduct major urban operations in Iraq after Operation Phantom Fury. Once everything calmed in Al Anbar province in early 2007, no military commander wanted to rock the boat; large numbers of U.S. casualties was deemed politically untenable....so everyone pretended the problem didn't exist. More or less, they didn't attack us, and we didn't attack them.

0 was a bumbling fool and all the more happy to spike the football that he "got us out of Iraq." Worse he tried to jump in front of the parade marching toward Assad. That plan failed when many of the groups they sponsored surrendered or defected to Al Nusrah Front. However, the YPG and other groups who are interested in ousting ISIS, al Qa'ida, AND Asad are what now makes up the SDF.

To paraphrase Regan, I'm not saying there are a lot of ignorant people on here, but so much of what they know just isn't so. A little bit of research goes a long way.

60 posted on 06/18/2017 7:40:47 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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