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To: otness_e

“So far as Morris Childs, you know that they most likely would have been aware that he was American and thus were likely lying to him in terms of Soviet disinformation, right?”

In other words you don’t know who Morris Childs was or why Ronald Reagan awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Pacepa was a general in Romania. Childs was a courier for the CPUSA who constantly traveled to Moscow for twenty years and was on a first name basis with the members of the Poltiburo.

There is no evidence that the Soviets were aware that Childs had become a double agent, and there were decades of evidence indicating that they considered him a valued friend and talked freely with him. Brezhnev personally awarded Childs their Order of the Red Banner.

Childs was such a deep level secret that only four Americans ever knew of his identity for the two decades that he was spying for the United States. He is regarded as the most valuable spy that we ever had. Through him we knew from their own mouths what the Soviet leaders were thinking. And on the day that Kennedy was killed they were as shocked as we were.


344 posted on 05/31/2017 8:32:01 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate California. Deport Mexico Now)
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To: Pelham

“In other words you don’t know who Morris Childs was or why Ronald Reagan awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Pacepa was a general in Romania. Childs was a courier for the CPUSA who constantly traveled to Moscow for twenty years and was on a first name basis with the members of the Poltiburo.”

Maybe, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t have used disinformation on him. As Pacepa repeatedly pointed out, the Soviet Union thrives on disinformation, distrust in other words, so even being considered of high rank doesn’t necessarily cut it.

“There is no evidence that the Soviets were aware that Childs had become a double agent, and there were decades of evidence indicating that they considered him a valued friend and talked freely with him. Brezhnev personally awarded Childs their Order of the Red Banner.

Childs was such a deep level secret that only four Americans ever knew of his identity for the two decades that he was spying for the United States. He is regarded as the most valuable spy that we ever had. Through him we knew from their own mouths what the Soviet leaders were thinking. And on the day that Kennedy was killed they were as shocked as we were.”

Yeah, except Pacepa’s own boss made it pretty clear that Khrushchev wanted him dead, and there’s also evidence to suggest that Khrushchev was also behind the killing of Mary Pinchot Meyer. In Programmed to Kill, Pacepa wrote:

“According to Dej’s account, when Khrushchev finished reading that cable [from the KGB in Washington saying that Kennedy had ordered a naval quarantine of Cuba], his face was purple. He looked inquiringly at [KGB chief] Semichastny, and, when the terrified general nodded, Khrushchev ‘cursed like a bargeman’. Then he threw Semichastny’s cable on the floor and ground his heel into it. ‘That’s how I’m going to crush that viper,’ he cried. The ‘viper,’ Dej explained in telling the story, was Kennedy.

Goading himself on, Khrushchev grew increasingly hysterical, uttering violent threats against the ‘millionaire’s whore’ and his CIA masters.”

*http://www.nationalreview.com/article/219342/kremlins-killing-ways-ion-mihai-pacepa
*http://www.scientiapress.com/kgb-Mary-Meyer
*http://www.scientiapress.com/kgb-kennedy

Childs definitely did a service to his country, and for that I’m grateful, but I feel more inclined to believe Pacepa on this one, and remember, Pacepa was the same guy whose book, Red Horizons, was essentially responsible for taking out Ceausceau. And for the record, even Ceausceau was pretty sure that the KGB had been involved in JFK’s assassination. And that’s not even getting into declassified CIA documents that revealed that on September 28, 1964, Oswald visited both the Soviet and Cuban embassies to arrange for an escape path, meaning they definitely had to have known about his role in JFK’s assassination.


345 posted on 06/01/2017 4:51:51 AM PDT by otness_e
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