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To: Pelham

“In other words you don’t know who Morris Childs was or why Ronald Reagan awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Pacepa was a general in Romania. Childs was a courier for the CPUSA who constantly traveled to Moscow for twenty years and was on a first name basis with the members of the Poltiburo.”

Maybe, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t have used disinformation on him. As Pacepa repeatedly pointed out, the Soviet Union thrives on disinformation, distrust in other words, so even being considered of high rank doesn’t necessarily cut it.

“There is no evidence that the Soviets were aware that Childs had become a double agent, and there were decades of evidence indicating that they considered him a valued friend and talked freely with him. Brezhnev personally awarded Childs their Order of the Red Banner.

Childs was such a deep level secret that only four Americans ever knew of his identity for the two decades that he was spying for the United States. He is regarded as the most valuable spy that we ever had. Through him we knew from their own mouths what the Soviet leaders were thinking. And on the day that Kennedy was killed they were as shocked as we were.”

Yeah, except Pacepa’s own boss made it pretty clear that Khrushchev wanted him dead, and there’s also evidence to suggest that Khrushchev was also behind the killing of Mary Pinchot Meyer. In Programmed to Kill, Pacepa wrote:

“According to Dej’s account, when Khrushchev finished reading that cable [from the KGB in Washington saying that Kennedy had ordered a naval quarantine of Cuba], his face was purple. He looked inquiringly at [KGB chief] Semichastny, and, when the terrified general nodded, Khrushchev ‘cursed like a bargeman’. Then he threw Semichastny’s cable on the floor and ground his heel into it. ‘That’s how I’m going to crush that viper,’ he cried. The ‘viper,’ Dej explained in telling the story, was Kennedy.

Goading himself on, Khrushchev grew increasingly hysterical, uttering violent threats against the ‘millionaire’s whore’ and his CIA masters.”

*http://www.nationalreview.com/article/219342/kremlins-killing-ways-ion-mihai-pacepa
*http://www.scientiapress.com/kgb-Mary-Meyer
*http://www.scientiapress.com/kgb-kennedy

Childs definitely did a service to his country, and for that I’m grateful, but I feel more inclined to believe Pacepa on this one, and remember, Pacepa was the same guy whose book, Red Horizons, was essentially responsible for taking out Ceausceau. And for the record, even Ceausceau was pretty sure that the KGB had been involved in JFK’s assassination. And that’s not even getting into declassified CIA documents that revealed that on September 28, 1964, Oswald visited both the Soviet and Cuban embassies to arrange for an escape path, meaning they definitely had to have known about his role in JFK’s assassination.


345 posted on 06/01/2017 4:51:51 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

Correction, that date should have been September 28, 1963.


349 posted on 06/01/2017 4:41:34 PM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

After a careful reading of Pacepa’s book, I must say that it was very interesting when he was relating incidents he was involved in but his hypothesis that LHO was trained as an assassin by the KGB/PGU is less than convincing.

The most fundamental flaw is the statement that the KGB did not want him to do it, it had changed its mind about killing JfK. LHO would have been deader than a hammer if that were true not “shooting” at the President. He would simply have been found on some street shot to death. The KGB does not mess around when something like this is on the line.

Then there is the problem of his “proof” principally a series of “what if...”, “...could have”, “...if so and so was true then this might have happened”. He has no proof of anything just an analysis of “patterns” but the problem with that is all intelligence agencies and even organized crime use the same patterns and procedures. Proof that Oswald acted with a pattern does not tell us whose pattern it is.

Am currently reading “Passport to Assassination” by Col. Oleg Nechiporenko which claims that Nosenko was a real defector and that the KGB had no interest in him. He then tries to paint a psychological portrait of why LHO did the dirty deed. From the evidence produced it is clear to me that LHO was far too unstable and unpredictable to be trained as an assassin by the premier intelligence agency in the world. Far too public to be used as an “illegal”.

When we remember what the lives of such people are - lying as a profession and with every other breath - it becomes difficult to know when they are telling the truth.
So when it is said by the KGB that the KGB had no interest in Oswald - I assume it is lying. When the CIA says it had no files on Oswald - I assume it is lying.

But the rock which shatters all non-Mafia theories is Jack Ruby. His action is utterly inexplicable unless he was ordered by the Big Guys to kill. There is zero evidence that he was any agent of Cuba, other than, for a while, playing it to see if he could sell it something or bribe officials to let Trafficante out of the country.

Thanks for bringing this book to my attention.


356 posted on 06/23/2017 2:34:02 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com)
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