Posted on 05/06/2017 11:13:55 AM PDT by WilliamIII
By “that story”, I mean Star Fox.
Khrushchev got Kennedy to agree not to invade Cuba and to withdraw our Jupiter nuclear missiles from Turkey. That was an entirely acceptable outcome for the USSR, far better than what was publicly known at the time by the American public.
If Khrushchev or any of the Politburo were enraged and calling for JFK’s death Morris Childs would have known about it. He continued to be a highly trusted friend of the Politburo right up through his last Moscow visit in the late 1970s. The only one raving about killing Kennedy was Castro.
Actually, according to Pacepa, Khrushchev was outright livid about the whole ordeal, actually screaming at various intelligence agencies about how he wanted “the viper” dead, and one of those people was Pacepa’s own boss for the DIE.
So far as Morris Childs, you know that they most likely would have been aware that he was American and thus were likely lying to him in terms of Soviet disinformation, right? Pacepa’s book Disinformation even gives quite the account on that that actually indicates that Childs was himself being tricked.
“So far as Morris Childs, you know that they most likely would have been aware that he was American and thus were likely lying to him in terms of Soviet disinformation, right?”
In other words you don’t know who Morris Childs was or why Ronald Reagan awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Pacepa was a general in Romania. Childs was a courier for the CPUSA who constantly traveled to Moscow for twenty years and was on a first name basis with the members of the Poltiburo.
There is no evidence that the Soviets were aware that Childs had become a double agent, and there were decades of evidence indicating that they considered him a valued friend and talked freely with him. Brezhnev personally awarded Childs their Order of the Red Banner.
Childs was such a deep level secret that only four Americans ever knew of his identity for the two decades that he was spying for the United States. He is regarded as the most valuable spy that we ever had. Through him we knew from their own mouths what the Soviet leaders were thinking. And on the day that Kennedy was killed they were as shocked as we were.
“In other words you don’t know who Morris Childs was or why Ronald Reagan awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Pacepa was a general in Romania. Childs was a courier for the CPUSA who constantly traveled to Moscow for twenty years and was on a first name basis with the members of the Poltiburo.”
Maybe, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t have used disinformation on him. As Pacepa repeatedly pointed out, the Soviet Union thrives on disinformation, distrust in other words, so even being considered of high rank doesn’t necessarily cut it.
“There is no evidence that the Soviets were aware that Childs had become a double agent, and there were decades of evidence indicating that they considered him a valued friend and talked freely with him. Brezhnev personally awarded Childs their Order of the Red Banner.
Childs was such a deep level secret that only four Americans ever knew of his identity for the two decades that he was spying for the United States. He is regarded as the most valuable spy that we ever had. Through him we knew from their own mouths what the Soviet leaders were thinking. And on the day that Kennedy was killed they were as shocked as we were.”
Yeah, except Pacepa’s own boss made it pretty clear that Khrushchev wanted him dead, and there’s also evidence to suggest that Khrushchev was also behind the killing of Mary Pinchot Meyer. In Programmed to Kill, Pacepa wrote:
“According to Dej’s account, when Khrushchev finished reading that cable [from the KGB in Washington saying that Kennedy had ordered a naval quarantine of Cuba], his face was purple. He looked inquiringly at [KGB chief] Semichastny, and, when the terrified general nodded, Khrushchev ‘cursed like a bargeman’. Then he threw Semichastny’s cable on the floor and ground his heel into it. ‘That’s how I’m going to crush that viper,’ he cried. The ‘viper,’ Dej explained in telling the story, was Kennedy.
Goading himself on, Khrushchev grew increasingly hysterical, uttering violent threats against the ‘millionaire’s whore’ and his CIA masters.”
*http://www.nationalreview.com/article/219342/kremlins-killing-ways-ion-mihai-pacepa
*http://www.scientiapress.com/kgb-Mary-Meyer
*http://www.scientiapress.com/kgb-kennedy
Childs definitely did a service to his country, and for that I’m grateful, but I feel more inclined to believe Pacepa on this one, and remember, Pacepa was the same guy whose book, Red Horizons, was essentially responsible for taking out Ceausceau. And for the record, even Ceausceau was pretty sure that the KGB had been involved in JFK’s assassination. And that’s not even getting into declassified CIA documents that revealed that on September 28, 1964, Oswald visited both the Soviet and Cuban embassies to arrange for an escape path, meaning they definitely had to have known about his role in JFK’s assassination.
It was easy to paint a picture involving the KGB given Oswald’s ambiguous past. So it had great reason to be involved in a disinformation cover-up as a preventative measure. Yet, the fact that an inappropriate agent with a ridiculous gun was “used” over-rides any claim that it was promoted by KGB. They were not so slip-shod.
The basic problem that has to be faced is that EVERYONE was trying to cover this up. Hints floated by FBI and others that the USSR was involved were factors in the establishment of the Warren Commission. Rumors were also afoot that the Pro-Castroites were behind it and on the other hand the Anti-Castroites were also accused of being responsible. The Ruby chapter shows that the Mafia was involved and, of course, the FBI knew about the threats and attempts made before 11/22. Given the long-standing and close relationship between the Mob and LBJ that could not be revealed. So the US establishment and the USSR were forced by the action of the Mafia into cover-up and disinformation.
Something else to be realized is that these agents play several roles as double agents and they are not always clear who is pulling the strings. Was Oswald really working for the KGB or CIA, the anti-Castro groups or the Pro-Castro groups, who wanted him to read the “Militant” and the “Daily Worker”? Even that last problem is evidence he was not KGB since they would have never had their agent subscribe to a Communist newspaper since the FBI closely monitored all such things. Since the Militant is a Trotskyite organ it is difficult to see someone versed in Soviet politics ordering both papers.
The difference in I led three lives and the fantasies we indulged as kids is that one actually happened and its story fit Ozzie’s psychological predisposition and it became a goal of his to be a Philbrick for various reasons. His actions later showed him to be a patriot joining the CAP where he (probably to his future detriment) first came into contact with David Ferrie; then he joins the Marines and received training in Russian and Intelligence methods. In addition, he was trained in radar operations.
What turned this patriot into a Turncoat? It is easier to believe that this was done with the deliberate intention for him to be of interest of the KGB and to be part of the Fake Defector Program, than that he just, out of the blue, turned traitor.
Ruby’s death at the behest of KGB raises an infinite number of questions and problems. Not the least of which is WHO gave him the cancer? KGB has no ability to get inside the jail hospitals to deliver something that can kill him. This would require a medical team.
Now it is true that there have been claims that there were US programs experimenting with developing a means of inducing cancer. In “Me and Lee” Oswald’s N.O. lover claims that not only was she working on a means to give Castro the disease but it was for US Intelligence. And we know that it was a major interest of David Ferrie.
So the odds that any artificially induced cancer was the cause of Ruby’s death by the hand of the KGB are much less than that it was a CIA or Mafia operation. None of these options are particularly convincing. So I am going with he died of natural causes until something plausible is revealed.
The political situation in 1963 was nothing like 1914 and lessons had been learned since then. While the Black Hand was an operation of the Okurna, that killing did not help Russia at all but produced disaster.
Iran is on the border of Russia and no one would expect or order an exchange of nuclear missiles because its ruler was assassinated.
It was easy to paint a picture involving the KGB given Oswald’s ambiguous past. So it had great reason to be involved in a disinformation cover-up as a preventative measure. Yet, the fact that an inappropriate agent with a ridiculous gun was “used” over-rides any claim that it was promoted by KGB. They were not so slip-shod.
The basic problem that has to be faced is that EVERYONE was trying to cover this up. Hints floated by FBI and others that the USSR was involved were factors in the establishment of the Warren Commission. Rumors were also afoot that the Pro-Castroites were behind it and on the other hand the Anti-Castroites were also accused of being responsible. The Ruby chapter shows that the Mafia was involved and, of course, the FBI knew about the threats and attempts made before 11/22. Given the long-standing and close relationship between the Mob and LBJ that could not be revealed. So the US establishment and the USSR were forced by the action of the Mafia into cover-up and disinformation.
Something else to be realized is that these agents play several roles as double agents and they are not always clear who is pulling the strings. Was Oswald really working for the KGB or CIA, the anti-Castro groups or the Pro-Castro groups, who wanted him to read the “Militant” and the “Daily Worker”? Even that last problem is evidence he was not KGB since they would have never had their agent subscribe to a Communist newspaper since the FBI closely monitored all such things. Since the Militant is a Trotskyite organ it is difficult to see someone versed in Soviet politics ordering both papers.
The difference in I led three lives and the fantasies we indulged as kids is that one actually happened and its story fit Ozzie’s psychological predisposition and it became a goal of his to be a Philbrick for various reasons. His actions later showed him to be a patriot joining the CAP where he (probably to his future detriment) first came into contact with David Ferrie; then he joins the Marines and received training in Russian and Intelligence methods. In addition, he was trained in radar operations.
What turned this patriot into a Turncoat? It is easier to believe that this was done with the deliberate intention for him to be of interest of the KGB and to be part of the Fake Defector Program, than that he just, out of the blue, turned traitor.
Ruby’s death at the behest of KGB raises an infinite number of questions and problems. Not the least of which is WHO gave him the cancer? KGB has no ability to get inside the jail hospitals to deliver something that can kill him. This would require a medical team.
Now it is true that there have been claims that there were US programs experimenting with developing a means of inducing cancer. In “Me and Lee” Oswald’s N.O. lover claims that not only was she working on a means to give Castro the disease but it was for US Intelligence. And we know that it was a major interest of David Ferrie.
So the odds that any artificially induced cancer was the cause of Ruby’s death by the hand of the KGB are much less than that it was a CIA or Mafia operation. None of these options are particularly convincing. So I am going with he died of natural causes until something plausible is revealed.
The political situation in 1963 was nothing like 1914 and lessons had been learned since then. While the Black Hand was an operation of the Okurna, that killing did not help Russia at all but produced disaster.
Iran is on the border of Russia and no one would expect or order an exchange of nuclear missiles because its ruler was assassinated.
“It was easy to paint a picture involving the KGB given Oswald’s ambiguous past. So it had great reason to be involved in a disinformation cover-up as a preventative measure. Yet, the fact that an inappropriate agent with a ridiculous gun was “used” over-rides any claim that it was promoted by KGB. They were not so slip-shod.”
Again, the KGB specifically trained him for PGU assassinations, not to mention gave him a historic diary which, due to not having any American dialect specialists involved, was filled with obvious anachronisms and sayings you’d expect from a KGB agent stationed in Britain rather than in America, having a KGB wife, and being trained for specific code words. It’s all detailed in that book, and for the record, the book Disinformation also covers that as well.
“The basic problem that has to be faced is that EVERYONE was trying to cover this up. Hints floated by FBI and others that the USSR was involved were factors in the establishment of the Warren Commission. Rumors were also afoot that the Pro-Castroites were behind it and on the other hand the Anti-Castroites were also accused of being responsible. The Ruby chapter shows that the Mafia was involved and, of course, the FBI knew about the threats and attempts made before 11/22. Given the long-standing and close relationship between the Mob and LBJ that could not be revealed. So the US establishment and the USSR were forced by the action of the Mafia into cover-up and disinformation.”
The fact that Oswald tried to get visas from the Cuban and Soviet embassies, on September 28, and Johnson did not know of this until three days after the assassination when the CIA informed him, it’s definitely unlikely to be a mob hit. And bear in mind, this was in documents that, until two years ago were classified to the public, meaning the CIA would have absolutely NO reason to mention this, especially if it was a cover up.
“Something else to be realized is that these agents play several roles as double agents and they are not always clear who is pulling the strings. Was Oswald really working for the KGB or CIA, the anti-Castro groups or the Pro-Castro groups, who wanted him to read the “Militant” and the “Daily Worker”? Even that last problem is evidence he was not KGB since they would have never had their agent subscribe to a Communist newspaper since the FBI closely monitored all such things. Since the Militant is a Trotskyite organ it is difficult to see someone versed in Soviet politics ordering both papers.”
So are you going to call Che Guevara a CIA or FBI intruder, then? Because by that logic, him even entering an interview with the London Daily Worker had him betraying the Soviets and being pro-American as a result, which means he’s even LESS likely to be used to promote Communism after he got killed. I know if I were KGB, and Che allowed himself to be interviewed with the London Daily Worker regarding the immediate aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis, and he made clear he wanted to pre-emptively launch nukes and not even care if he started World War III, I’d probably have him assassinated on the spot, not to mention erase any record of his existence, let alone his contributions to Communism precisely BECAUSE he’s far too problematic to be used to promote Communism without painting us in a bad light, no matter how “hip” he may look.
“The difference in I led three lives and the fantasies we indulged as kids is that one actually happened and its story fit Ozzie’s psychological predisposition and it became a goal of his to be a Philbrick for various reasons. His actions later showed him to be a patriot joining the CAP where he (probably to his future detriment) first came into contact with David Ferrie; then he joins the Marines and received training in Russian and Intelligence methods. In addition, he was trained in radar operations.”
Actually, when I was a kid, I actually DID believe Pokémon was real, and I even had the goal of trying to find them and their home planet. I even had the goal of finding Atlantis and merpeople when I was younger, and even today, I do think that at the very least merpeople did in fact exist. It’s not all that different here. As far as CAP, there are plenty of reasons for him to join that don’t involve him being a patriot, like, I don’t know, trying to get classified information. I even saw something like that occur in this week’s 48 Hours: NCIS, where an Egyptian spy managed to move to America, get an electrical engineering degree, and apply for a job at Norfolk Naval Base specifically to gain access to the blueprints to the Gerald Ford aircraft carrier and sell them to someone within the Egyptian intelligence department (or so he thought). He even went as far as to arrange for the Egyptian embassy to fake the removal of his citizenship just to ensure he could pull it off.
“What turned this patriot into a Turncoat? It is easier to believe that this was done with the deliberate intention for him to be of interest of the KGB and to be part of the Fake Defector Program, than that he just, out of the blue, turned traitor.”
Honestly, him just flat out turning traitor fits in with his psychological profile, which involved coming from a broken household and having literally no concept of love and many times getting into fights. Besides, Howard Zinn fought in World War II as part of a bomber crew, and he’s obviously no patriot at all even if he pretended to be and more likely than not only participated in World War II to aid the Soviets.
“Ruby’s death at the behest of KGB raises an infinite number of questions and problems. Not the least of which is WHO gave him the cancer? KGB has no ability to get inside the jail hospitals to deliver something that can kill him. This would require a medical team.”
Actually, it doesn’t even require a medical team for them to kill him in a manner that made it look like cancer got to him. All they’d need is to place someone in the prison kitchen and tamper his food with Securitate, also known as Radu, which is a soluble radioactive thallium powder that could be put in food, and in fact was useful for killing people abroad without leaving a trace, and make sure the food was delivered to his cell. And the autopsy reports will have them think that he died from cancer. It, or at least a similar powder, was even used for killing Ghegoriu-Dej, the former head of the DIE, during the elections on March 12, 1965 a little over a year after the JFK assassination. It was such a feared weapon that Ceausceau even ordered for Geiger-Muller counters just in case the KGB does try to assassinate him via that method. It’s actually a very discreet form of assassination. And Pacepa strongly suspects that Ruby was given, if not Radu specifically, then certainly a similar radioactive powder (and bear in mind, the use of radioactive powder to kill people in a manner that makes them look like they got cancer had been used as early as the assassination attempt on Nikolay Khokhlov in 1957, so they’ve done this many times before.). And whether it was KGB, Cubans, or whoever killed them, the use of radioactive powder to kill Ruby most certainly rules out the mob, since that’s way beyond their capabilities.
“Now it is true that there have been claims that there were US programs experimenting with developing a means of inducing cancer. In “Me and Lee” Oswald’s N.O. lover claims that not only was she working on a means to give Castro the disease but it was for US Intelligence. And we know that it was a major interest of David Ferrie.”
The United States may have been working on such a means, but they haven’t actually put it into practice, which the KGB, as I explained above with the examples of Khokhlov [who wasn’t exactly successful in being killed outright] Dej, and most likely Ruby.
“So the odds that any artificially induced cancer was the cause of Ruby’s death by the hand of the KGB are much less than that it was a CIA or Mafia operation. None of these options are particularly convincing. So I am going with he died of natural causes until something plausible is revealed.”
Oh, believe me, it’s definitely plausible, certainly plausible enough for Ceausceau to actually order Geiger-Muller counters specifically for detecting the use of Radu in his food in the event that the KGB wanted him dead for whatever reason. Pacepa, from his own experiences in the DIE, was even pretty sure that the KGB used that powder to kill Ruby.
“The political situation in 1963 was nothing like 1914 and lessons had been learned since then. While the Black Hand was an operation of the Okurna, that killing did not help Russia at all but produced disaster.
Iran is on the border of Russia and no one would expect or order an exchange of nuclear missiles because its ruler was assassinated.”
In case you’ve forgotten, part of the reason the whole disinformation campaign came about is precisely BECAUSE they wanted to avoid World War III. And besides, had I been the president and the KGB, say, tried to target our allies in Italy, for example, especially the higher ups, I’d cite that as a reason to go to World War III, and we’d do it. The KGB wouldn’t even ATTEMPT to risk harming our allies, let alone us, without risking World War III.
Correction, that date should have been September 28, 1963.
There are too many assumptions, distortions and bad information to go into your post at this time.
I will have Pacepa’s book next week and will read it immediately.
Fine. But bear in mind that the first 18 or so pages were briefly covered in that PJMedia article by Pacepa.
Sorry I missed this from weeks ago. I’ve been occupied.
The postal inspector for the Dallas USPS regional mail distribution center testified to the WC about the mail boxes and the parcels Oswald recieved under his alias.
The FBI ballistic forensics expert testified that their agency and civilian and military marksmen all managed to duplicate Oswald’s feat under the same conditions. They even went so far as to say it was an accurate rifle in good working order.
The paraffin test has been covered in this thread earlier. It is — nor was — by any means regarded as a reliable police tool.
The movie theater apprehension of Oswald wasn’t fishy. By the time Oswald ducked into the movie theater without paying, Dallas was already buzzing with the news Kennedy had been murdered downtown Almost an hour and a half earlier when radio waves were also announcing the murder of patrolman Tippit along with the description of Tippit’s killer. The whole city knew about it, glued to their radio and television in public places. It was national news!
A civilian shoe store manager aware of both Kennedy’s murder and JD Tippit witnessed Oswald duck into his store’s atrium acting nervous and flighty while Dallas PD cruisers raced past him down the street, so he followed Oswald and summoned the theater manager and the police when he saw Oswald enter the Texas Theater without paying. He saw something, he said something.
That keenly observant man is Johnny Calvin Brewer. He’s still alive and now living in California. He testified to the Warren Commission of the events that day. I don’t think you’re suggesting he’s part of the conspiracy, right?
The Dallas police, the FBI, and the US Secret Service had already interrogated the staff of the Texas School Book Depository by the time Oswald was on foot fleeing into the Texas Theater. They knew who was missing from the building where the shots were fired — Lee Harvey Oswald — and they therefore knew who their prime suspect was. They responded in force to the theater because the police were summoned by the theater manager fitting the description of the murderer of officer Tippit which went put on the radio as likewise matching Oswald, the man the authorities were going to shake Dallas upside down to find. This was not some phony orchestrated coincidence no matter what Oliver Stone’s lousy movie contends. The whole city of Dallas was on the lookout for a man fitting Oswald’s physical description by this time.
Now, finally, understand that when the theater lights went on and the theater manager and Mr. Brewer identified Oswald sitting in the crowd to police detectives, Oswald attempted to murder the apprehending officer with the same revolver he shortly before used to murder officer Tippit and bought via mail order using his alias that was replicated on a phony ‘Alek Hiddell’ ID found in his wallet upon his arrest. Dozens of alarmed theater patrons were witness to Oswald’s arrest. This is damning evidence, sir.
Please get a copy of the Warren Commission Report on the Assassination of President Kennedy. Seriously. It’s a fairly common book found for cheap in used bookstores and you can choose the Time/Life version or the Reader’s Digest version with big easy-to-read letters. The Warren Commission’s report is 18 volumes contained in a single book the size of a hotel room Gideon Bible, yet Oliver Stone likes to pretend nobody’s ever read it because he wants people to think its 18 volumes fill an entire bookshelf like the Encyclopedia Brittanica or the Babylonian Talmud. Hardly the case.
You can even find an official US National Archives .PDF download for it here for free:
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report
I have read the Report and much of its “supporting” documentation. No wonder there have been numerous books and articles written about the killings. The gaps, omissions of contrary information/witnesses are numerous and obvious. It also uses the classic technique of Bury It in BS hence an essentially vaguely related collection of “facts” is used to hide truth in plain sight.
In waiting for the “KGB did it” book our friend has referenced, I happened to get “Me and Lee” a book by his lover in NO the summer before the assassination. It demonstrates and extensively documents that LHO was not only very smart but they both were intimately involved in a top-secret bioweapon research program run by one of the world’s top oncologist, and he was an agent both of the FBI and as a “loan” to the CIA. Oswald was tied by many threads to both the Mafia and to the ultra-right operations run by Guy Bannister in NO.
With the view that he was an agent in mind most of his bizarre actions in his life makes much more sense. His role was to play a doofus who hated the US so he led a peripatetic life barely above poverty, yet somehow managed to get hired by two companies closely tied to the intelligence agencies. Knowledge of his “defection” was obtainable easily and both companies ran background checks of potential employees.
He staged the ludicrous “demonstrations” in favor of Castro in NO, to bring attention to his “pro-Castro” sympathies as a means to get into Cuba and deliver the aforementioned bioweapon. This was an especially virulent cancer-causing virus to be injected into Fidel. (Ruby’s rapid death from cancer came after he complained of receiving an injection prior to becoming ill.)
It also explains the far too traceable purchase of the guns, his legend was to be a violent revolutionary. They were picked up by SOMEONE claiming to be Hidell when Oswald was at work. How did he even get readmitted into the country with no interest from CIA? That fact alone shows it is likely that he was an intelligence asset.
I read the FBI guys testimony as saying the AFTER the sights and other elements were repaired it could do some of the things claimed for it. All “duplicate” test firings were of a stationary target with as much time to sight as needed.
Reports were that the army ordnance Lab was afraid to fire it for fear it would explode. Experts who examined the gun found that it was “... found to be operable. It had not been properly cleaned, maintained or lubricated.” It was “in generally poor condition.”
There has been too much revealed about the rifle and its shortcomings for me to believe it was likely that he shot the President with it. His testimony does not say that this would have been a rifle to use for such a task, particularly as it was “found”.
His actions wrt the movie theater make me and others believe he was there to meet someone. Rather than sit in one seat he makes himself even more conspicuous by moving to several.
And the attempt to murder a cop has never passed the smell test, either. Let us pretend that he actually shot Tippett, what on earth would have made him dump the shells there, when did he reload? That shooting was more than likely done with a revolver which ejects the shells. In addition, the bullets taken from Tippett could not be identified as coming from Oswald’s gun. Then there is the incongruous shells found which did not match the make of the bullets from Tippett.
Now I must admit that I have laboured under the belief for the last fifty years that almost everything that the government says is a LIE. And with so many parts of the hidden power structure involved here one should assume that all ballistics reports, all autopsies and basically all witness statements have been massaged to create the fictional “Lone Assassin”.
Once the idea of the “Lone Assassin” is overcome everything about this killing starts to become clear.
Examine this case using the Scotland Yard investigative technique. A much different picture emerges of the killing.
Even simpler, just ask “Who Benefited?”
Well, you’re having a lot of fun imagining unsupported conspiracy theories. It’s just not rational.
You’re insisting we dispense with the entirety of the Warren Commission’s report while crafting unfounded suspicion where the facts and testimony don’t support your unexplained case. It’s spooky ghost story suspension of disbelief for amusement.
You: “The FBI testimony to the WC said that the Carcano rifle was incapable of murdering the President.”
Me: “Quite the contrary. The Warren Commission testimony by the FBI and the US Army ballistic lab was that the rifle was properly lubricated and in good working order and repeated tests by multiple sources with it duplicated Oswald’s results. Plus, resources from the Department of Energy lab proved the fired projectiles came from that rifle to the exception of any other and the ammunition was this specific lot purchased by Oswald.”
You: “Not from the unnamed sources I’ve read. Once you’ve read enough conspiracy books to eliminate Oswald as the ‘Lone Gunman’, you get to have all kinds of fun referencing this crackpot and that, and invent your own narrative like picking and choosing from a smorgasbord diner. Now, let me tell you about Oswald’s homosexual Cuban KGB lover/handler he slipped into the Texas Theater to meet...”
Okay, well. We’re done here I guess. Good afternoon.
Check out the author and the book and tell me we are dealing with another crackpot. Her publication of her story has brought her nothing but grief and threats to the point that she moved to another country after hiding her knowledge for almost four decades.
There is no question that LHO hung out with CIA and ultra-right people like David Ferrie and Cuban exiles. He was working for Guy Bannister.
The Report was concocted based on what the FBI allowed into evidence. Entire elements of events were expressly kept away from the Commission by the other Intelligence agencies. It knew nothing of the attempts on Castro’s life by the CIA/Mafia partnership. CIA did not tell it a damn thing except Dulles admitted that it would lie even to that Commission. It stank so bad that at least two of the signers indicated they did not believe its conclusions.
Russell Long put Garrison on the case he disagreed with so much in it, Hal Boggs felt the same way. Not only did Richard Russell have doubts but even LBJ, after his resignation, expressed his belief they were dealing with a conspiracy. Garrison tried an extremely complex case hampered by the perjury of Clay Shaw who was a CIA asset but denied it. Why? And, it should be noted, the Jury trying the case believed that Garrison was on the right track he just didn’t prove it. That is no wonder given the sabotage and perjured testimony.
But the whole story can be boiled down to Jacob Rubinstein’s shooting of Oswald. That was to stop him from talking. Ruby had known Lee since his childhood and was seen with him many times. But he was carrying out the Mafia’ desire to have LHO eliminated. His excuse is a joke and I can’t imagine an intelligent person would swallow it.
Nor was the WC apprised of the two prior attempts scheduled for Tampa then Chicago. Oswald was nowhere to be seen in those cities. What would its conclusion have been with that knowledge? The Lone Assassin theory dies there.
After a careful reading of Pacepa’s book, I must say that it was very interesting when he was relating incidents he was involved in but his hypothesis that LHO was trained as an assassin by the KGB/PGU is less than convincing.
The most fundamental flaw is the statement that the KGB did not want him to do it, it had changed its mind about killing JfK. LHO would have been deader than a hammer if that were true not “shooting” at the President. He would simply have been found on some street shot to death. The KGB does not mess around when something like this is on the line.
Then there is the problem of his “proof” principally a series of “what if...”, “...could have”, “...if so and so was true then this might have happened”. He has no proof of anything just an analysis of “patterns” but the problem with that is all intelligence agencies and even organized crime use the same patterns and procedures. Proof that Oswald acted with a pattern does not tell us whose pattern it is.
Am currently reading “Passport to Assassination” by Col. Oleg Nechiporenko which claims that Nosenko was a real defector and that the KGB had no interest in him. He then tries to paint a psychological portrait of why LHO did the dirty deed. From the evidence produced it is clear to me that LHO was far too unstable and unpredictable to be trained as an assassin by the premier intelligence agency in the world. Far too public to be used as an “illegal”.
When we remember what the lives of such people are - lying as a profession and with every other breath - it becomes difficult to know when they are telling the truth.
So when it is said by the KGB that the KGB had no interest in Oswald - I assume it is lying. When the CIA says it had no files on Oswald - I assume it is lying.
But the rock which shatters all non-Mafia theories is Jack Ruby. His action is utterly inexplicable unless he was ordered by the Big Guys to kill. There is zero evidence that he was any agent of Cuba, other than, for a while, playing it to see if he could sell it something or bribe officials to let Trafficante out of the country.
Thanks for bringing this book to my attention.
Declassified documents from the CIA revealed that LHO was planning to leave the country to go to the USSR, with Cuba as a relay point. It makes no sense for him to go there unless they had been involved. I even supplied you with a link to the article talking about the declassified documents.
So far as a mafia hit, unless you can give me proof that the Mafia has direct access to radioactive powder which they can lace into food to make their victim look like they died from cancer, I still have doubts about that. And BTW, Jack Ruby died in his cell due to cancer. The Mafia may be good at making sure they can kill a person even if they are in prison, but they aren’t THAT good. Otherwise, we’d have discovered their radioactive powder stash by now.
Not to mention even one of the biggest spymasters made it pretty clear that, at the very least, Castro had been involved in the hit, and in fact, one of Castro’s biographies tellingly revealed he knew that LHO would kill JFK that very day. And use common sense, if the KGB was truly innocent of the killing, why would they want to do a disinformation campaign. If I were KGB, I wouldn’t even NEED to use a disinformation campaign to frame the US for murder because we didn’t even do the killing in the first place.
Judyth's book demonstrates nothing because Judyth's story is made up. She took advantage of the fact the she once worked at the same place Oswald did to make up a wild story to get attention.
She's been known for years among people who study this stuff seriously, and almost nobody believes her. There have been all kinds of problems with her stories, and what she does when they are pointed out is change the story in a new version.
She is a serious JFK crackpot.
There are no shots and police recording. There is no acoustical evidence of gunshots.
There are no shots ON THE police recording. There is no acoustical evidence of gunshots.
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