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Forget Trump. Forget Brexit. A Le Pen win on Sunday could be the West’s biggest shock this century
The Toronto Star ^ | May 5, 2017 | Ishaan Tharoor, The Washington Post

Posted on 05/05/2017 11:46:59 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

If Marine Le Pen wins, it’s almost certainly the end of the EU, experts say — and that could bring economic and political turmoil unlike anything the West has seen in decades.

Forget Britain’s vote for Brexit. Forget U.S. President Donald Trump’s November win. If Marine Le Pen somehow defeats Emmanuel Macron in France’s presidential runoff vote on Sunday, it may be the biggest electoral shock in the West so far this century.

A win by the leader of the French far right would see a leading European nation select a president emphatically opposed to globalization and integration, friendly to authoritarian Russia and tethered to a party, the National Front, that is steeped in a history of neo-fascism, extremism and bigotry. It could prefigure the dissolution of the European Union, trigger new economic chaos and hammer home the last nail in the coffin of an already ailing liberal order.

A Le Pen victory “means the collapse of the EU, because the EU without France doesn’t make any sense,” Gerard Araud, France’s ambassador in Washington, said in a conversation with The Washington Post earlier this year. “And it means the collapse of the euro and a financial crisis, which will have consequences throughout the world.”

It’s still an unlikely outcome.....

(Excerpt) Read more at thestar.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: brexit; france; franceelection; lepen; thewest; trump
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To: nickcarraway
Le Pen is secular. She openly admits her disdain for religreligion and LGBT values.

I know. Marion (NOT Marine), however, is a traditionally-minded Catholic. French Revolution style-secularism spawned their socialist state, and it has no underlying mechanism for dealing with Islam.


61 posted on 05/05/2017 1:17:59 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

God save France. Nothing else can.


62 posted on 05/05/2017 1:32:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

No, she has specifically said she does not practice Catholicism.


63 posted on 05/05/2017 1:39:35 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: RKV

“No third time”

Yep - Sorry “Lafayette” - you’re on your own...


64 posted on 05/05/2017 1:42:07 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: RKV

I have a French GF. She is the sweetest person I’ve ever met. She says it’s because she from Carcassonne in the South.


65 posted on 05/05/2017 1:42:11 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Rudy Guiuliani for Head of FBI)
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To: nikos1121

Too late.


66 posted on 05/05/2017 2:28:17 PM PDT by 353FMG (s)
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To: Mamzelle
Agreed! C'est fini. Friends of mine were in France last summer and the cab driver was outraged about the possibility of Trump becoming our President. Well, he should have been worried about how he was going to take 5 breaks a day for Muslim prayers. There will be more refugees, more riots and rapes, more no-go zones, abandoned cathedrals will be remodeled as mosques, the language will be diluted (which they will NOT be able to stand!), fashion will be no longer be cutting-edge but cutting-throats, and the burka will be the woman's cheap outfit. After all, how many French women will be able to afford the Chanel suit that comes with a matching hijab?

I'm just waiting for the day they slash the Mona Lisa, destroy art representing the human form in the Louvre, blow out Notre Dame's rose window, and blast the base of the Eiffel Tower--all symbolic of the best in Western Civilization.

67 posted on 05/05/2017 2:29:07 PM PDT by MHT (,`)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Is she? I know she got divorced after a year of marriage.


68 posted on 05/05/2017 2:29:54 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nikos1121

Carcassonne is beautiful. Been there. Personally I like Western France, Anjou, etc.


69 posted on 05/05/2017 3:21:04 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: MHT
I'm just waiting for the day they slash the Mona Lisa, destroy art representing the human form in the Louvre, blow out Notre Dame's rose window, and blast the base of the Eiffel Tower--all symbolic of the best in Western Civilization.

God forbid! I just cringed when I read what you wrote. Will the French let it go that far? Let's hope not. If they're going to act, they need to do so Now.

C'mon France, Fight for France! Vive la France!!

70 posted on 05/05/2017 3:26:17 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dude's a pig in a puddle and he's going to get elected.

Offshore accounts in the Caymans etc. It's Boris and Natasha all over again. /s

UPDATE: Macron campaign says it has been the victim of a massive, coordinated hacking operation. https://t.co/dZ210WM8aZ pic.twitter.com/z4ahmtDsCV— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) May 5, 2017


71 posted on 05/05/2017 3:30:25 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Art in Idaho

Sadly, the French don’t seem to have the gumption of previous generations. Their socialism, political correctness, abandonment of Christianity, and decline of family have weakened them the way it has other western countries. Their country class has lost demographically to their ruling class and there is no going back. The increase in the Muslim percentage of their population will be the final blow..with no blow-back.


72 posted on 05/05/2017 4:40:01 PM PDT by MHT (,`)
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To: MHT

I ordered some French perfume off eBay—likely nothing good will be coming out of France, including my favorite classic perfumes. Honor killings, forced child marriages, mutilations of little girls...tourism will tank...


73 posted on 05/05/2017 6:18:57 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: MHT; LucyT; Liz; Publius; Jane Long
You just have to hope the small town rural and farmer folks rise up and fight. The problem is the same as here in the US, Godless atheism, PC, big government socialism and the planned destruction of the family in various ways. As the guy in France said, "This is the last election."

Now, just saw in The Sun they're planning big election day mayhem: ‘KILL THE CANDIDATES’ ISIS makes sick call for French election day terror attacks and urges lone wolf jihadis to slaughter Le Pen and Macron

What about this do the French not get? I hope the Le Pen voters are fighting mad and come out in droves. They are fighting domestic enemies.

France, hearken back to the day of the The Maquis, the rural guerrilla bands of French Resistance fighters, called maquisards, during the Occupation of France in World War II. You are fighting a domestic enemy no different in threat level as the Nazis.

Once upon a time I knew a member of the Maquis. He was a true French patriot and a real fighter. The real men of France, rise up and save your country!

Fight! . . and Vote for Marine Le Pen Sunday!

74 posted on 05/05/2017 6:37:12 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Art in Idaho; Liz; LucyT; Jane Long; Enchante; SoFloFreeper; WildHighlander57; null and void; ...
This search gets 30 results. Just starting a look see:

https://search.wikileaks.org/?q=macron

https://search.wikileaks.org/?query=Macron&exact_phrase=&any_of=&exclude_words=&document_date_start=2014-05-02&document_date_end=2017-05-04&released_date_start=&released_date_end=&include_external_sources=True&new_search=True&order_by=most_relevant#results

A FR Search Surge!

75 posted on 05/05/2017 7:19:30 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This search gets 30 results. Just starting a look see:

https://search.wikileaks.org/?q=macron

https://search.wikileaks.org/?query=Macron&exact_phrase=&any_of=&exclude_words=&document_date_start=2014-05-02&document_date_end=2017-05-04&released_date_start=&released_date_end=&include_external_sources=True&new_search=True&order_by=most_relevant#results

A FR Search Surge!

76 posted on 05/05/2017 7:20:20 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Jim Robinson
From: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/40180

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:39:41 -0400

Subject: Re: Paris Meeting with Manuel Valls

From: john.podesta@gmail.com

To: browne_mj@hotmail.com

"Want to let you know PM Valls is hosting a small roundtable (25-30 people) in Paris on October 16/17. It will begin with a dinner on Friday evening hosted by Emmanuel Macron (French Finance Minister) and the following day there will be two roundtable sessions:"

"Session one will address the challenges of economic globalization and technological development, and be focused on how progressives respond on policy front. Session two will evaluate how progressives develop a successful political and economic narrative to counter the right and populists to the left."

"They've asked for help bring some US people over, and are keen to get someone from HRC campaign engaged in possible. Is this something you might consider nominating a strategist or econ policy person to attend, or even attending yourself? Either Policy Network or Jean Jaures could cover travel and accommodation costs."

77 posted on 05/05/2017 7:29:51 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Art in Idaho; Liz; LucyT; Jane Long; Enchante; SoFloFreeper; WildHighlander57; null and void; ...
This search gets 30 results. Just starting a look see:

https://search.wikileaks.org/?q=macron

https://search.wikileaks.org/?query=Macron&exact_phrase=&any_of=&exclude_words=&document_date_start=2014-05-02&document_date_end=2017-05-04&released_date_start=&released_date_end=&include_external_sources=True&new_search=True&order_by=most_relevant#results

A FR Search Surge!

78 posted on 05/05/2017 7:34:06 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Art in Idaho; null and void; KC_Lion; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; TWhiteBear; WildHighlander57; ...

Ping to # 74 , and read through # 78 .

Thanks, Art in Idaho.

79 posted on 05/05/2017 8:11:40 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT
You're welcome LucyT. Thanks for the ping.

From: https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/22258#efmBGiBHQBHRBLF

"Emmanuel Macron - vice secretary general - Born in 1977, Macron is currently a banker in mergers and acquisitions at Rothschild in Paris. Also an ENA graduate, he previously worked at the general inspection of finances and could also become the top civil servant at the Finance Ministry."

80 posted on 05/05/2017 8:14:37 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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