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Learning to Talk Like a Woman (or Man) [trying to normalize transgender ridiculousness]
New York Times ^ | 4/25/2017 | Catherine Saint Louis

Posted on 04/25/2017 11:24:08 AM PDT by simpson96

In her 30s, Sophie Marat, now 42, used to record herself reading poetry aloud, then play it back to hear if she sounded like a woman. Ms. Marat, who is transgender, had spent years trying to remake her voice in private by speaking in a higher pitch but ultimately felt that her efforts were hopeless.

“I was feeling like changing my voice to match my gender identity was almost impossible,” she said. “It was terrible.”

Ms. Marat’s transition from male to female has been a gradual evolution. She had come out to friends and family back home in Mexico, then began to wear skirts to work as a software engineer in Manhattan. Still, her confidence would falter with everyday tasks like ordering takeout. “It was really painful to speak on the phone,” she said, “because they would reply, ‘O.K., sir.’”

That was before she started her weekly sessions with a voice therapist at New York University’s speech-language-hearing clinic, one of a growing number of programs that cater to transgender clients seeking to retrain their voices.

Just as some transgender women and men choose to take hormones or have surgery, or choose neither, some seek to feminize or masculinize their voices. Many say they want a voice that matches their appearance or that the change allows them to escape unwanted attention. There’s also a growing recognition among health professionals who have transgender patients that altering one’s voice can improve quality of life and reduce distress.

After eight months, she had raised her pitch, worked on moving her resonance forward and finishing phrases with an open ending, rather than bluntly.

“This isn’t just a sidebar,” said Sandy Hirsch, a Seattle-based speech language pathologist who was a co-author of the pioneering textbook on transgender voice and communication therapy. “It’s


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To: nopardons

Oh, well, those people have real medical conditions. The others have mental issues.


41 posted on 04/25/2017 12:38:21 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: stremba

I seem to remember reading about a man, with a brain injury, who thought his wife was a hat. He could sit and talk with her, and she would converse with him, but he thought she was a hat.


42 posted on 04/25/2017 12:38:59 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: central_va

You’re thinking of California in the 60s-70s. State nut houses were closed down by governors, not by presidents.


43 posted on 04/25/2017 12:40:35 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: G Larry

That’s not a homosexual, but a transgender. Two different things. Homosexuals know whether they’re men/women, but are just attracted to the same sex. Trannies don’t feel comfortable in their own bodies. Bruce Jenner, for instance, says he’s still attracted to women, so he’s not homosexual. He just wants to BE a woman.

That said, this guy is going to destroy his voice if he keeps trying to change how he talks. Then he’ll have some REAL problems, aside from the current mental ones.


44 posted on 04/25/2017 12:44:53 PM PDT by lbtbell
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To: simpson96

It’s a honky Moo Obama with the boot belt and whitey wig.


45 posted on 04/25/2017 12:45:19 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: left that other site
Sade?


46 posted on 04/25/2017 12:45:27 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: caww

I’m not sure that they are “sexual deviants” ( some probably are, but perhaps not all ), but they all are attention seeking “whores” and mentally ill.


47 posted on 04/25/2017 12:47:00 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: caww

Oh come on....women in the ‘50s didn’t behave that way; that’s just NOT “normal”!


48 posted on 04/25/2017 12:48:42 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: miss marmelstein

EXACTLY!


49 posted on 04/25/2017 12:49:29 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: miss marmelstein
This is from a leftist rag but worth considering:

Did Reagan’s Crazy Mental Health Policies Cause Today’s Homelessness?

Over 30 years ago, when Reagan was elected President in 1980, he discarded a law proposed by his predecessor that would have continued funding federal community mental health centers. This basically eliminated services for people struggling with mental illness.

He made similar decisions while he was the governor of California, releasing more than half of the state’s mental hospital patients and passing a law that abolished involuntary hospitalization of people struggling with mental illness. This started a national trend of de-institutionalization.

In other words, if you are struggling with mental illness, we can only help you if you ask for it.

But, wait. Isn’t one of the characteristics of severe mental illness not having an accurate sense of reality? Doesn’t that mean a person may not even realize he or she is mentally ill?

50 posted on 04/25/2017 12:49:32 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: lbtbell
Except that now, since he had his genitals whacked off, Brucie now says that he wants to "do it" with men!
51 posted on 04/25/2017 12:51:22 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: simpson96
“It was really painful to speak on the phone,” she said, “because they would reply, ‘O.K., sir.’”

I think it is obvious to all that the order taker should be jailed.

You know, to ease the pain.

52 posted on 04/25/2017 12:51:44 PM PDT by TankerKC (If Mitt Romney is elected, everyone in the US will die!)
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To: central_va
It had NOTHING at all to do with Reagan and the shutting down of insane asylums, began in many different states, long before Reagan was president!

In NYC and then in N.Y. state, this happened in the late '70s.

53 posted on 04/25/2017 12:54:08 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: EEGator

Sade?






No, Marat.

54 posted on 04/25/2017 12:55:28 PM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: simpson96

This thread lacks the proper eye bleach!


55 posted on 04/25/2017 1:07:03 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: simpson96
Many say they want a voice that matches their appearance or that the change allows them to escape unwanted attention.

Unwanted, I am not so sure any attention is unwanted. Otherwise all this drama and travail wouldn't see the light of day.

Most of humanity perceives [and is intuitively repelled by] the abject fakery and perversion. Seems more like these sorts of issues (it's always something) are a depraved soul's desperate cries for help under the blustering, bullying guise of, "Do you know who I am?! [Because I sure don't.]"

Sadness and confusion reign.

56 posted on 04/25/2017 1:10:35 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: miss marmelstein
It is sad, isn't it? Those men can never truly be women, no matter how hard they work at it. Their maleness will always show through. The one featured in this article has more to worry about than changing his voice. He isn't convincing anybody in that ridiculous get-up.

Society's increased level of tolerance for this nonsense is only enabling them and giving them false hope.

Now with an army of cosmetologists at your disposal, a man might make himself passable as a female for about a day. Such as Bruce Jenner and that Vanity Fare cover shoot. But for him to look like that everyday, he'd have to spend hours and hours a day maintaining it. He apparently has the leisure time and the money to do so but that voice! He was on Tucker Carlson last night and that voice instantly outed him as "male in woman's clothing." Poor guy. He wouldn't be able to fool anybody, not even in an Irish bar on St. Patrick's Day.

And those big hands and feet. There's nothing a man can do with his hands and feet to look feminine.

Sorry Brucie, you should have accepted the male body you were born with.

57 posted on 04/25/2017 1:26:45 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: central_va
The de-institutionalization movement began in response to a federal district court decision, Wyatt v Stickney in 1971, which held that if a mentally ill person is held involuntarily in a mental hospital, he has a constitutional right to effective treatment, with the goal of returning him to the community.

In 1971 many patients were committed against their will, without any semblance of due process, given custodial care only, with no definable release date. Mental patients, in other words, were denied rights commonly given to criminals upon incarceration.

The Court correctly ruled this was an unconstitutional denial of their rights, and it was upheld by the circuit court.

States were strapped for funds and, unable to provide the standards of treatment required, began to release patients into the community. At this time the Community Mental Health Center system was operating, to a degree, and was expected to pick up the treatment of patients as outpatients. It had been initiated under Kennedy and was federally funded, but was never fully or adequately staffed up in most cases.

Reagan turned the program over to the states, which were the appropriate governmental entity to take the responsibility, but the states were no more interested in providing treatment in 1980 than they were in 1970.

As governor, Reagan did only what was required under the ruling of the courts. Involuntary commitments continued but required due process, not merely a doctor's order. The law is pretty clear, being mentally ill does not deprive one of his rights except through a legal process of establishing incompetence, and the provision of a guardian.

Reagan had nothing to do with any of these decisions, he only carried out the law, as he should have.

58 posted on 04/25/2017 1:29:38 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: simpson96

bkmk


59 posted on 04/25/2017 1:34:46 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: simpson96
In her 30s, Sophie Marat, now 42, used to record himself reading poetry aloud, then play it back to hear if she sounded like a woman. Mr. Marat, who is transgender, had spent years trying to remake his voice in private by speaking in a higher pitch but ultimately felt that his efforts were hopeless.

Actually one can get one's larynx altered to push the register up a bit, or one can change one's name to Tallulah.

60 posted on 04/25/2017 1:53:40 PM PDT by arthurus
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