Posted on 04/24/2017 6:59:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Only a decade ago, Frances two traditional major parties the conservative Republicans and the Socialists won 57 percent of the vote between them in the first round of the countrys presidential elections. On Sunday, both parties together won less than half that only 26 percent. Emmanuel Macron, the 39-year-old independent who placed first in this years round, declared that the nation had discarded the two once-dominant parties.
Now France will have two weeks of ferocious fighting between the two finalists Macron and the populist National Front leader Marine Le Pen. Supporters of Le Pen note that her 22 percent of the vote was a significant improvement over past National Front showings and predict that a rising tide of disgust against arrogant elites will carry her to victory in the May 7 runoff. Indeed, she did make clear that she offered a fundamental choice between French sovereignty and what she called the forces of globalization and open borders. By contrast, Macron spoke in vague terms about how he stood for French patriotism rather than anti-European nationalism.
No one doubts that Le Pen will add to her support in the second round. But those who believe that she can duplicate the success of Donald Trump and win a surprise victory have to look at basic math. Trump trailed Hillary Clinton only narrowly in Election Day polls. The successful campaign to have Britain leave the European Union also trailed by only a small margin. But in a runoff with Macron, the populist Le Pen trails by an average of more than 20 percentage points. Campaigns can change minds, and polls can be off, but the surge of support Le Pen would need to win on May 7 would be unprecedented.
The reason that Le Pen probably has a ceiling is simple. François Fillon, the conservative who came in third in the first round, with 20 percent, put it simply when he advised his backers to vote for Macron on May 7. The National Fronts history is marked by violence and ignorance, he said. Extremism can only bring unhappiness and division to France. There is no other choice than to vote against the far right.
Only two months ago, Fillon himself was seen as the front-runner for the presidency. An admirer of Margaret Thatcher, he campaigned on free-market themes and promised to reduce the size of the state while still keeping France in the European Union. Philip Turle of Radio France Internationale noted that for the first time in decades, France was receptive to tough messages on security and economic reform.
Then it was revealed that Fillon had hired family members to be his aides in parliament and lied about the work they had done. Even though he found himself under formal investigation for corruption, he refused to leave the race.
If France doesnt engage in real reform of its economy and improve its assimilation policies for immigrants, populists of both the Left and the Right will continue to gain strength.
Many of his supporters drifted to Macron. Although he served as a minister in the government of outgoing Socialist president François Hollande, Macron has promised to remove some of the shackles holding back French innovation and economic growth. Nonetheless, many Fillon supporters are loath to back Macron in the runoff. The clear favorite of media and political elites, Macron has never been elected to office and so has no track record of keeping promises.
But for many Fillon supporters, Le Pens call for an almost total ban on immigration is unrealistic, and her economic views echo left-wing calls for bigger public pensions, protection of the bloated civil service, and more government spending on a variety of programs. Le Pen asks some of the right questions but still has many of the wrong answers, Justine Le Blanc, a French lawyer who largely agrees with the National Front on immigration but thinks the partys views overly simplistic, told me.
Regardless of which outsider wins the French presidency, neither will find governing easy. Macrons En Marche (Forward) party didnt exist even a year ago, and its unclear whether it will be able to elect many candidates in the parliamentary elections scheduled for June. Le Pen would in all likelihood face a parliament dominated by the traditional parties and leaning to the center-right, and it could stand in the way of her plans to hold a referendum on Frances future in Europe.
If Macron wins, which seems likely, European Union leaders will breathe a sigh of relief. But the forces that have roiled Britain and the U.S. in the last year arent going away. If France doesnt engage in real reform of its economy and improve its assimilation policies for immigrants, populists of both the Left and the Right will continue to gain strength and will force a new confrontation with the nations establishment sooner rather than later.
When you combine Nationalism with Socialism, you only need to add Aryan and Workers Party and you are fully there...
The alternative is worse.
We are talking about France after all..So, bell curve.
She at least recognizes muslims are a problem.
What did anyone expect that France would suddenly turn into America (post 1986) ?
How is Macron an outsider? He was a member of Hollande’s administration.
What a stupid response...
How can anyone expect much from France?
It’s France!
America was taking a speed train to socialism these last 30 years?
Once America is great again, if some loony leftist/commie/socialist doesn’t kill our President then maybe we have half a chance.
Until then it’s kind of hard to poo poo (other) socialist countries.
Otherwise, you must be for Macron?
Not (post 1986) but pre-1986
MAKE FRANCE GREAT AGAIN.
Just my two cents and I probably overcharged :)
The National Front is very anti-Israel, that has not changed at all and in my opinion, anti-Israel is usually the flip side to the anti-semite coin.
Re your post 16: one step at a time. If she can successfully get France out of the EU, it should be easier to change their economics systems.
Hmmm. Well, what passes for "conservative Republican" in France is to the LEFT of Hillary Clinton in the United States (even Sarkozy was considered the "most conservative" candidate in their party and that dope was "disappointed" in Obama for being as liberal as him on global warming). Given how left-wing their "conservative" parties are, I'd hate to see how their "centrists" will govern.
Europe got a more or less free ride on the wealth of America. This gave countries like France room to be lax.
I think the Muslim problems are serving to show that America can’t fix everything.
With this invasion, Left or Right really doesn’t matter right now.
where can we reliably trace the doctrines of the National Front in France?
I find it hard to believe that Le Pen would want to continue that, not being as she is in the shadow of Donald Trump.
I do not disagree with you at all on this. France has made some very bad decisions over the past 200 years and it has led to this. Le Pen is not the answer. But the French will not even look at the answer because they hate free markets and real liberalism.
Rousseau fathered modern France and has left her an orphan...
The Jerusalem Post is where I go to get info on France believe it or not. They have a real sober view of France in my opinion.
I find it bizarre as well. That being said, the National Front have "moderated" some of their more odious positions since Marine took over the party and fired daddy, but she's also moved leftward and abandoned some of the few decent conservative views they have. National Front has always been far more fascist than conservative.
As for American conservatives giving National Front's vehemently anti-Jewish views a pass, look no further than the worship Hamas fanboy Justin Amash gets from Tea Party groups -- and UNLIKE National Front, which is BOTH anti-Jewish and anti-Muslim, Amash is anti-Jewish but a terrorist sympathizer. I love the irony of these tea party groups claiming Israel is "the most important issue" and giving lectures about how "if you won't stand with Israel, we won't stand with you" while they cheer on scumbags like that.
The sad thing is that anything resembling an actual conservative will be lucky to get 8th or 9th place in the French elections. I gave us hope long ago that France would elect anyone decent.
Yeah, left and right are not the case as is who’s taking Qatar money to expand the Caliphate and who isn’t. The Uniparty is everywhere.
“The answer” is found in God.
Donald Trump rather obviously has his sails up to catch that divine Wind.
What will Le Pen actually do? People were complaining about Donald Trump’s background and found him instead to be a good team coach. Will Le Pen also let herself be moved by that Wind?
If she does, then French nationalism will find a godly side once more, and enmity towards Israel will abate. Israel isn’t telling Jews to move to France at any rate; if anything it’s inviting Jews to move FROM France (and everywhere else).
What did they think of Trump pre-election? Were they all nervous about him?
Well said. We are letting our problems color the solutions in other countries. I am not a nationalist at all, I am a patriot and in my view they are very different. Nationalism in Europe has led to three hundred plus years of misery...
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