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United Airlines Was Right, and Its Numerous Critics Wrong
RCM ^ | 04/18/2017 | John Tamney

Posted on 04/18/2017 11:54:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Fantasywriter

Sure it would. “Both sides are wrong” is a complex issue that the mob mentality of social media has a long history of not grasping. Especially when one of those sides is a large “evil” corporation (actually given United’s history they might actually be evil, no quotes). Just because the masses have all gone one way doesn’t mean they’re right. The masses loved Obama, we all know how that worked out. Right and wrong isn’t about public opinion, right and wrong are easily defined concepts and in this case:
bumping passengers after they’ve been seated = wrong, it’s just rude and stupid and guaranteed to lose you customers
refusing to comply with a legally allowed order = wrong, it’s childish and rude (to all the other passengers who had their flight delayed because of his crap) and just not operating in the real world where any halfway intelligent person would know that was an unwinnable fight.

Both sides are wrong, sorry you can’t be bothered to see it.


181 posted on 04/19/2017 8:25:47 AM PDT by discostu (Stand up and be counted, for what you are about to receive.)
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To: Fantasywriter

use for = use force


182 posted on 04/19/2017 8:25:53 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught owith pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: discostu

Thank goodness our society isn’t so far gone that they no longer care about the abuse of the elderly. If the majority was mocking Dao because they didn’t like the way he screamed—as I’ve seen numerous childish posters here do—we’d really be lost.

Fortunately, when three young, brawny and thuggish guys rough up an old, non-aggressive man, the majority still side with the old man. There’s hope.


183 posted on 04/19/2017 8:31:34 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught owith pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

Who said anything about not caring about abuse of the elderly? Not me. Now you’re in the land of just making crap up and assigning positions. That’s what happens to folks who simply a can’t admit they were wrong. Funny, just like Dao, you’ve taken your spot and you ain’t leaving no matter how childish you must be. That’s really where we’re lost, too many of us can’t be bothered to look at facts and realize that more than one thing can be true.

Well, we’re done, you’re just going to keep insisting that he childish idiot who couldn’t be bothered to comply did nothing wrong, and I’ll keep pointing out he’s a childish idiot. So you can have the last word, I’m sure it will continue down your make believe land where Dao is perfect, because you indeed are a fantasy writer, even when talking about reality.


184 posted on 04/19/2017 8:40:40 AM PDT by discostu (Stand up and be counted, for what you are about to receive.)
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To: discostu

‘The masses loved Obama, we all know how that worked out.’

Obama is the perfect example of what I’m talking about. With all the fraud, media hype and illegal voting, etc.—and pitted against one of the worst candidates in history—Obama didn’t receive 53% of votes cast in 2008.

With almost certainly MORE cheating in 2012, and another dud challenger, Obama got and even lower percentage.

If sentiments were running 53% Pro-Dao and 47% pro-United, it could be argued that the airline didn’t come off looking that bad.

Or if Obama had won by 90 or 95 percent, you could say the masses were acting stupidly.

As it is, Obama ignited fierce resistance, while United’s support among those who have seen the video is anemic at best.


185 posted on 04/19/2017 8:53:48 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught owith pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: discostu

Dao made a very reasonable and rational case as to why he couldn’t ***volunteer*** to deplane. It in no way justified the excessively abusive force that was used against him, resulting in a concussion, two lost teeth and a broken nose.


186 posted on 04/19/2017 8:57:57 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught owith pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: discostu

And yes, when three young goons inflict on an old man the injuries listed in my prior post, it is elder abuse. Sorry you can’t see it.


187 posted on 04/19/2017 9:01:23 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught owith pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: SeekAndFind
Lest we forget, a purchase of an airline ticket, particularly a supersaver ticket, is not a guaranteed reservation in the traditional, contract sense.

Oh my, this guy is a real intellectual. He used the word “Lest”. Funny how all the airlines changed their policy(yes) so fast in light of UAL’s/Chicago Aviation Authority's attack on an old man. I wonder why UAL is now demanding it's employees to book at least 1 hour before boarding? No $hit UAL!

188 posted on 04/19/2017 9:04:22 AM PDT by Chgogal (I will NOT submit, therefore, Jihadists hate me.)
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To: Fantasywriter

“And yes, when three young goons inflict on an old man the injuries listed in my prior post, it is elder abuse”

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Should the elderly be immune from having their seats bumped?

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189 posted on 04/19/2017 9:09:09 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Mears

My immediate point is that the elderly, if they have boarded a plane legally and are sitting quietly in their assigned seat minding their own business, should not be subjected to excessive force such that it leaves them bloody, broken and hospitalized.


190 posted on 04/19/2017 9:19:16 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught owith pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

‘Infuriated’ United pilots union slams cops for forcibly dragging passenger from plane

http://www.businessinsider.com/united-airlines-pilots-letter-2017-4


191 posted on 04/19/2017 9:44:27 AM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: HamiltonJay; Fantasywriter

Let’s not forget this criminal’s background, not to mention he’s a queer and a huckster. The passenger hauled off a United flight is a lung doctor with a taste for gambling, a history of angry outbursts — and a conviction for trading narcotics prescriptions and cash for gay sex in motels.

Dr. David Dao of Elizabethtown, Ky., confirmed Tuesday that he was the inadvertent star of a viral video stirring outrage around the globe and said he was undergoing hospital treatment in Chicago.

In an interview from his bed, Dao, 69, told Louisville TV station WLKY that he wasn’t feeling well.


192 posted on 04/19/2017 9:50:26 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Neoliberalnot

lung doctor with a taste for gambling. The bastard!!!


193 posted on 04/19/2017 9:51:26 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Ken H

I have a lot of respect for pilots. They’re very intelligent people. But it doesn’t take the smarts of an airline pilot to know you can’t defend the indefensible.


194 posted on 04/19/2017 9:52:17 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught owith pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Cronos
Customers bumped for crew to ride...sure happens all the time. Customers asked to leave after they've boarded...I suspect that is extraordinarily rare. Most airlines can figure out their passenger count before everybody boards.
195 posted on 04/19/2017 10:06:37 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: Neoliberalnot

I don’t know about you, but I am a sinner saved by grace. Assuch, I don’t consider myself so morally superior as to warrant reveling in other’s shortcomings.

I am also knowledgeable of the Golden Rule. If three heavy-handed thugs left me hospitalized, I wouldn’t want people sifting through my past to see if they couldn’t find something bad, so they could say I had it coming. Since I wouldn’t want that, I will never do it to someone else.

In addition to his known past, Dao is being subjected to baseless smears. Where did you get the info re his supposed history of angry outbursts? Please be specific, with links.

Also, are you citing the pain pills twice, once re sex and once under the rubric of hucksterism? If not, please provide a citation for the huckster charge. (If they’re one and the same, why list them seoarately?)


196 posted on 04/19/2017 10:10:49 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught owith pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

seoarately = separately


197 posted on 04/19/2017 10:11:54 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught owith pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: discostu

Again, trying to blame the passenger is laughable. It really really is... United effed up royally. Doa’s only “screw up” as you like to call it, is he didn’t comply like a little sheep.. and honestly he didn’t really fight either. they literally dragged someone doing nothing more than sitting in his seat bashing his head into an armrest and dragging him from the plane.

He didn’t FIGHT, he just sat there.. refusing to voluntarily leave the seat he had paid for and been sat in. That’s not a screw up... United SCREWED UP ROYAL and yes they will pay royally... they already are.

You think United had to open its EARNINGS CALL today by addressing this issue AGAIN because it doesn’t really just how badly they effed themselves then you are indeed beyond naive.


198 posted on 04/19/2017 12:43:27 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Fantasywriter

UNITED opened its EARNINGS CALL today by addressing this yet again.. those that think United doesn’t realize now just how badly they screwed themselves are living in denial. Seriously, a call to talk about its financials to investors and that is opened up by yet another APOLOGY over this????

United not only EFFED up on the plane, it compounded the problem a thousand times over when Munoz offered a dismissive “apology” talking about being sorry they had to “re-accommodate” some passengers.

The Target CEO men in the girls room is about the only CEO move in recent history that was nearly as dumb, and it will cost United just as much if not more than it has cost Target.


199 posted on 04/19/2017 12:47:22 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Neoliberalnot

Ah yes, lets blame the victim here... do you think United had any idea about this guys background, or that his background had any relevance to what happened?

If you do, you are indeed a fool.

Sitting in your seat refusing to get out of the seat you paid for and were seated in only to have some jack booted thugs beat you and drag you off... Yes, yes, this all happened because of some past behavior that lead him to that... Please... Take your blame the victim crap over to Democratic Underground where it belongs.


200 posted on 04/19/2017 12:50:24 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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