Posted on 04/15/2017 4:55:16 AM PDT by Kaslin
First of all the “police” neither told him he was under arrest nor that he could be arrested. They were simply acting as a goon squad for the airline, illegally called in to remove him from the plane.
Question is how many times has this happened, with or without violence? While his present attorneys stated they are not making this a class action (as his individual damages will be far more than as a member of a class), somewhere I’m sure a law firm is preparing the groundwork for a class action by other passengers involuntarily removed from a United plane after boarding. Other actions are probably brewing for this particular flight - “intentional infliction of emotional distress” by the gate agent telling the passengers the flight would not leave unless four people volunteered or were taken off involuntarily for their $800 offer, and the ensuing violence witnessed by many close up.
Analogies have been made to Rosa Parks. While not racial in context, the analysis is quite appropriate. Someone finally stood up to illegal actions by the airline and the “police.” Once the passengers had boarded, the airlines are very limited in reasons why they can remove a paying passenger. At a minimum, this case has finally brought the “fine print” out for open discussion and analysis so many people understand their rights - and likely a lot of training is going on with “police” that may be called by an airline to remove someone. If the real police had actually been brought in, they likely would have told United to solve their problem themselves, recognizing arrest was not in the cards.
Yes. Anybody on that flight who was distressed over the incident should have given up his seat.
Yep
Bilello needs to pull his hotel out of his alpha and substitute the facts for his BS.
Also, why are there no charges against him, like resisting arrest or trespassing?
>>So they bust his face up, drag him out of the plane, and then leave him dazed and bleeding to walk back on the plane.
Do you realize how screwed these cops are?<<
Something strange happened there.
But to get past the protections cops have you need to be able to PROVE they went well beyond legal force to accomplish their law-enforcement goal. It is a very high hurdle.
Once the airline asked the man to debark, no matter why, and the cops were called and the passenger resisted, the cops were probably within procedure and the law in taking him off physically.
I think the lawyers are hoping the outrage will influence the jury more than the facts or the law. MOstly they want to leverage a fear of that to get a settlement. of which they (the lawyers) will keep most.
Good thing you aren't a lawyer. Dr. Dao certainly had a license to be where he was.
The author unfortunately sums up a major problem with modern police training and attitudes. While from a practical point of view complying with armed people is almost always a good idea, it doesn't help the police, or our nation, to have their authority be based on their likelihood to get violent. That puts them in the same category as thugs, bank robbers, and criminals of all sorts. None of the guys I know who are police officers signed up to be rent-a-thugs.
It didn’t matter. That was not the place to adjudicate a dispute. When the police are called to a scene and there is no question about who owns the property, they are going to remove an offending person from the premises. Everybody except this Dao guy apparently knows this, because this sort of thing happens thousands of times every year and nobody else had to get dragged away by the police.
Cops have the right to protect themselves, and to arrest. I don’t see a charge against him for resisting arrest, or trespass. So, what gives them the right to beat the crap out of him? Also, I think most cops would tell the airline it was a civil dispute, and they needed to solve it themselves. This could have been easily done by offering better incentives to get a volunteer.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/video-appears-to-show-passenger-being-removed-from-united-flight/
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All three are on leave now. I'd be hiring a good criminal attorney.
What an ass. It is the job of law enforcement to ensure they are acting within the Constitution and the law. The Chicago airport police had neither on their side in this case.
We have gotten too far away from that concept.
why, how come? I put the blame on the greedy agents who overbooked the flight. If they hadn’t this would not have happened.
First of all, they weren't cops in the usual sense of what that word means. They were security officers. Second, dragging a human being like that is far removed from any procedure and law except in the most dire circumstances. Those security officers had all the advantages over a senior citizen who, although resisting removal (not arrest, but removal), was zero threat to anyone. There were three of them, but they still couldn't calmly and orderly restrain the man and walk him down the aisle? Come on...would you so easily given in to totalitarian impulses?
Why on earth were those four employees so valuable?
Was it a life or death situation?
“The Chicago airport police had neither on their side in this case. “
Wanna explain that or would you like to be reminded of private property rights??
“illegally called in to remove him from the plane.”
The passenger had his boarding pass revoked. He refused to leave the plane. How is removing a trespasser on a plane
illegal?
“Dr. Dao certainly had a license to be where he was. “
No, he didn’t. His boarding pass was revoked.
Explain this ‘license’ you speak of that didn’t exist.
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