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Police Undefeated Streak Continues After Inevitable Takedown Of United Airlines Passenger
Townhall.com ^ | April 15, 2017 | Joseph Bilello

Posted on 04/15/2017 4:55:16 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

First of all the “police” neither told him he was under arrest nor that he could be arrested. They were simply acting as a goon squad for the airline, illegally called in to remove him from the plane.

Question is how many times has this happened, with or without violence? While his present attorneys stated they are not making this a class action (as his individual damages will be far more than as a member of a class), somewhere I’m sure a law firm is preparing the groundwork for a class action by other passengers involuntarily removed from a United plane after boarding. Other actions are probably brewing for this particular flight - “intentional infliction of emotional distress” by the gate agent telling the passengers the flight would not leave unless four people volunteered or were taken off involuntarily for their $800 offer, and the ensuing violence witnessed by many close up.

Analogies have been made to Rosa Parks. While not racial in context, the analysis is quite appropriate. Someone finally stood up to illegal actions by the airline and the “police.” Once the passengers had boarded, the airlines are very limited in reasons why they can remove a paying passenger. At a minimum, this case has finally brought the “fine print” out for open discussion and analysis so many people understand their rights - and likely a lot of training is going on with “police” that may be called by an airline to remove someone. If the real police had actually been brought in, they likely would have told United to solve their problem themselves, recognizing arrest was not in the cards.


21 posted on 04/15/2017 5:50:25 AM PDT by LibertyOh
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To: central_va
The real story is how none of the other passenger would be willing to give up their seat for the old guy.

Yes. Anybody on that flight who was distressed over the incident should have given up his seat.

22 posted on 04/15/2017 5:52:58 AM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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To: ml/nj

Yep


23 posted on 04/15/2017 5:53:26 AM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Kaslin

Bilello needs to pull his hotel out of his alpha and substitute the facts for his BS.


24 posted on 04/15/2017 5:53:31 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Ken H

Also, why are there no charges against him, like resisting arrest or trespassing?


25 posted on 04/15/2017 5:54:03 AM PDT by magglepuss
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To: Ken H

>>So they bust his face up, drag him out of the plane, and then leave him dazed and bleeding to walk back on the plane.

Do you realize how screwed these cops are?<<

Something strange happened there.

But to get past the protections cops have you need to be able to PROVE they went well beyond legal force to accomplish their law-enforcement goal. It is a very high hurdle.

Once the airline asked the man to debark, no matter why, and the cops were called and the passenger resisted, the cops were probably within procedure and the law in taking him off physically.

I think the lawyers are hoping the outrage will influence the jury more than the facts or the law. MOstly they want to leverage a fear of that to get a settlement. of which they (the lawyers) will keep most.


26 posted on 04/15/2017 5:54:23 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Not tired of winning yet!)
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To: Alberta's Child
when you’re in someone else’s property.

Good thing you aren't a lawyer. Dr. Dao certainly had a license to be where he was.

27 posted on 04/15/2017 6:00:25 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Kaslin
Or, they can physically force the individual to comply.

The author unfortunately sums up a major problem with modern police training and attitudes. While from a practical point of view complying with armed people is almost always a good idea, it doesn't help the police, or our nation, to have their authority be based on their likelihood to get violent. That puts them in the same category as thugs, bank robbers, and criminals of all sorts. None of the guys I know who are police officers signed up to be rent-a-thugs.

28 posted on 04/15/2017 6:05:07 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

It didn’t matter. That was not the place to adjudicate a dispute. When the police are called to a scene and there is no question about who owns the property, they are going to remove an offending person from the premises. Everybody except this Dao guy apparently knows this, because this sort of thing happens thousands of times every year and nobody else had to get dragged away by the police.


29 posted on 04/15/2017 6:05:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: freedumb2003

Cops have the right to protect themselves, and to arrest. I don’t see a charge against him for resisting arrest, or trespass. So, what gives them the right to beat the crap out of him? Also, I think most cops would tell the airline it was a civil dispute, and they needed to solve it themselves. This could have been easily done by offering better incentives to get a volunteer.


30 posted on 04/15/2017 6:11:22 AM PDT by magglepuss
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To: freedumb2003
“The incident on United flight 3411 was not in accordance with our standard operating procedure and the actions of the aviation security officer are obviously not condoned,” [Chicago] Aviation Department spokeswoman Karen Pride said. “That officer has been placed on leave effective today pending a thorough review of the situation."

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/video-appears-to-show-passenger-being-removed-from-united-flight/

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All three are on leave now. I'd be hiring a good criminal attorney.

32 posted on 04/15/2017 6:17:31 AM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: Kaslin
But we do not have the luxury of deciding that we do not wish to comply with orders from law enforcement, even if we are completely in the right.

What an ass. It is the job of law enforcement to ensure they are acting within the Constitution and the law. The Chicago airport police had neither on their side in this case.

We have gotten too far away from that concept.

33 posted on 04/15/2017 6:17:56 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: mulligan

why, how come? I put the blame on the greedy agents who overbooked the flight. If they hadn’t this would not have happened.


34 posted on 04/15/2017 6:18:19 AM PDT by Kaslin ( The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
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To: freedumb2003
the cops were probably within procedure and the law in taking him off physically

First of all, they weren't cops in the usual sense of what that word means. They were security officers. Second, dragging a human being like that is far removed from any procedure and law except in the most dire circumstances. Those security officers had all the advantages over a senior citizen who, although resisting removal (not arrest, but removal), was zero threat to anyone. There were three of them, but they still couldn't calmly and orderly restrain the man and walk him down the aisle? Come on...would you so easily given in to totalitarian impulses?

35 posted on 04/15/2017 6:27:51 AM PDT by Avalon Memories (Compromise is NOT a dirty word. It's how human society functions every day.)
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To: TexasKamaAina
easy to say, but it was Sunday evening and folks returning home after a weekend in Chicago, didn't have the flexibility to hang in Chicago until the next day.....work demands, and other considerations dictate travel times....having said that my take is the passenger took advantage of the pending situation....
36 posted on 04/15/2017 6:33:53 AM PDT by B212
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To: Kaslin

Why on earth were those four employees so valuable?
Was it a life or death situation?


37 posted on 04/15/2017 6:35:16 AM PDT by Daniel Ramsey (Thank YOU President Trump, finally we can do what America does best, to be the best!)
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To: dirtboy

“The Chicago airport police had neither on their side in this case. “

Wanna explain that or would you like to be reminded of private property rights??


38 posted on 04/15/2017 6:43:29 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: LibertyOh

“illegally called in to remove him from the plane.”

The passenger had his boarding pass revoked. He refused to leave the plane. How is removing a trespasser on a plane
illegal?


39 posted on 04/15/2017 6:44:45 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: freeandfreezing

“Dr. Dao certainly had a license to be where he was. “

No, he didn’t. His boarding pass was revoked.

Explain this ‘license’ you speak of that didn’t exist.


40 posted on 04/15/2017 6:45:48 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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