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To: BroJoeK
“But “domestic insurrections” in 1777 could refer to almost anything . . .”

In other words, according to you, the intent of the charges against the King found in Declaration of Independence are unknown and unknowable.

Jefferson writes, “To prove this (history of repeated injuries and usurpations) let Facts be submitted to a candid World.

Jefferson writes, “He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good.”

And you say, what Laws? And what public Good? “That could refer to almost anything!”

Jefferson writes, “He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing Importance . . .”

And you say, what Governors? What Laws of Importance. “That could refer to almost anything!”

Jefferson writes, “He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People . . .”

And you say, What new offices? What Swarms of Officers? “That could refer to almost anything!”

You would have members of this board believe that Huntington, Sherman, Williams and Wolcott of Connecticut; McKean, Read and Rodney of Delaware; Gwinnett, Hall and Walton of Georgia; and so forth and so on throughout the roll call signed off on the DOI but they had no idea what “excited domestic insurrections” meant?

You have renounced reason but don't get me wrong; I'm not asking you to change. My biggest fear is someday I'll run up against an apologist for the north that knows what he is talking about and confronts me with facts forcing a change in world view.

273 posted on 04/17/2017 6:46:02 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem; x; rockrr; DoodleDawg; HandyDandy; dsc
jeffersondem on Founders: "...signed off on the DOI but they had no idea what “excited domestic insurrections” meant?"

No, read my post #266 again.

  1. I said it could refer to Dunmore's Proclamation of 1775, also in your post #270.
    However we could note now Dunmore did not call for "domestic insurrections", but rather for slaves to join the British army.
  2. I said it could refer to rumors of British inspired insurrections against local US authorities.
  3. I said it could refer to an actual "domestic insurrection" which happened in Norfolk in January 1776 when the Brits bombarded the town.

Indeed, by July 4, 1776 there had already been (by my count) 26 battles, incidents or insurrections in 10 colonies including, for example, an insurrection in South Carolina where American patriots fought loyalists, called the Snow Campaign of 1775.
The 1775 Snow Campaign had nothing to do with slaves or Indians, yet did include "domestic insurrections" by British loyalists.

So, to our Founders, "domestic insurrections" did not refer primarily to slave rebellions of Indian massacres, but first & foremost to British loyalists fighting patriots, such as:

  1. Siege of Savage's Old Fields, SC Nov 1775
  2. Battle of Great Bridge, VA Dec 1775
  3. Snow Campaign, SC Dec 1775
  4. Burning of Norfolk, VA Jan 1776
  5. Battle of Moore's Creek Bridge, NC Feb 1776

These "domestic insurrections" resulted in dozens killed, hundreds more wounded or captured and certainly filled the bill for Jefferson's Declaration.

jeffersondem: "My biggest fear is someday I'll run up against an apologist for the north that knows what he is talking about and confronts me with facts forcing a change in world view."

Naw, you've been drinking the Lost Causer koolaid too long, now you're addicted to it, so no mere facts can break its hold on you.

At least I've never seen such a thing happen before.

276 posted on 04/18/2017 3:41:27 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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