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Tillerson: Russia 'Incompetent and Out-Maneuvered by Assad'
NewsMax ^ | April 9, 2017 | AP

Posted on 04/09/2017 1:07:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson says there's no "hard evidence" of Russian involvement in Syria's chemical bomb attack, but charges Moscow's been "incompetent" and "out-maneuvered" by Bashar al-Assad.

In an interview with ABC News' "This Week" aired Sunday, Tillerson said in his visit to Russia this week, he'll call upon Moscow "to fulfill the obligation it made to the international community when it agreed to be the guarantor of the elimination of the chemical weapons."

"Why Russia has not been able to achieve that is unclear to me," he said. "I don't draw conclusions of complicity at all. But clearly, they've been incompetent, and perhaps they've just simply been out-maneuvered by the Syrians."

Also in the interview, Tillerson said there's been "no change" to the U.S. military stance in Syria beyond the missile strike in retaliation for the Assad government's use of chemical weapons on its citizens, yet the action carries a message for other countries acting outside international norms.

The U.S. still hopes to shepherd a "political process that we believe the Syrian people will lawfully be able to decide the fate of Assad," Tillerson said in reference to Syria's president.

This week's airstrike "was a message to Bashar al-Assad that your multiple violations of your agreements at the UN, your agreements under the chemical weapons charter back in 2013, that those would not go without a response in the future," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; Syria
KEYWORDS: assad; chemicalweapons; nochangeinpolicy; noregimechangeeffort; onetimestrike; putin; russia; syria; tillerson; trump; trumprussia
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To: KC_Lion

Did it help?


41 posted on 04/09/2017 2:31:48 PM PDT by cmj328 (We live here.)
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To: TheTimeOfMan
I hear you.....I could have agreed with your assessment and did up until a short while ago......because really where's Assad going to go now as leader?....His country is in shambles...with only Damascus ...his people have left for the most part...and likely many wont be turning until the nation rebuilds. So what's he got?

I do believe that Iran and Russia would have him stay in power....especially Iran....Russia is a bit flexible on that note....Putin doesn't want war on his border and is unlikely to want to give up his ports to the Mediterranean. At most he;ll have to share power and I don''t think Assad would agree to that. so to me his options are minimal at best now.

42 posted on 04/09/2017 2:31:57 PM PDT by caww
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To: maro

I think she should decline and quit. Sheesh. Why doesn’t Trump just sign on George Soros and Jeb Bysh and make it quick?


43 posted on 04/09/2017 2:47:00 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Jim Robinson

Trump’s now in a good position for the next time the world complains about an atrocity to say to the world: “This time, what are YOU going to do about it?”
Syria, Russia, Iran, and China (the banker) don’t want UN troops interfering in their plans in Syria.
Russia and China don’t want to be defending atrocities in the Security Council.

So this action is apt to avoid further involvement.


44 posted on 04/09/2017 2:54:25 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Let’s face it. Obama left one hell of a mess in Syria and elsewhere. Like you said there are very few good guys in this and the only good ones I can think of are the Kurds.


45 posted on 04/09/2017 2:55:22 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Jim Robinson

I am sure glad to see this is the official US conclusion, whether true or not.

To have found Russia complicit or party to the attack would snowball into a place none of us wants to be.


46 posted on 04/09/2017 3:04:32 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Jim Robinson

Seems to me that Russia has the greatest self interest in Syrian stability. They ought to be the ones most motivated to “facilitate” regime change.

That said, I take Trump at his word, not reading things into his words as if he were just another status-quo politician, and Tillerson speaks for Trump’s policy as far as I can see.


47 posted on 04/09/2017 3:05:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (Unmask the Democrats! It's legal now. Ask Susan Rice or 0bama.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Syria has been a PIA for decades!

U.S. BATTLESHIP POUNDS HILLS HELD BY SYRIANS IN LEBANON; BRITAIN; PULLING OUT TROOPS

The Druse leader threatened retaliation against American civilians in Lebanon if the Navy continued shelling Druse villages.

BEIRUT, Lebanon, Feb. 8 - The United States battleship New Jersey bombarded Druse and Syrian gun batteries in Lebanon for more than nine hours today in the heaviest and most sustained American military action since the marines arrived here 16 months ago.

The gunfire was directed at targets ‘’in Syrian-controlled Lebanon which have been firing on the city of Beirut,’’ a Marine spokesman, Maj. Dennis Brooks, said. The shells fired into the capital had landed in Christian-dominated East Beirut, several miles from the Marine compound at Beirut International Airport.

In Washington, the Pentagon said the destroyer Caron joined in the bombardment, firing more than 300 five-inch shells. It said the New Jersey fired more than 250 16-inch shells.
According to the Lebanese Christian Phalangist radio, the American bombardment pounded artillery and missile batteries from Shuweifat, just south of Beirut, all the way to around Shtaura, 22 miles east of the capital. The radio said 30 Druse and Syrian gun batteries had been knocked out along with a Druse military command post.

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: February 9, 1984

For full story go to the link below:
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/02/09/world/us-battleship-pounds-hills-held-by-syrians-in-lebanon-britain-pulling-out-troops.html?pagewanted=all


48 posted on 04/09/2017 3:19:00 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (The Democrat Party is the action arm of the Establishment Media. Thanks to Mark Twain for this!)
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To: Jim Robinson
This entire thing with Syria, and now Russia, is to rid the world of chemical gassing humans.
49 posted on 04/09/2017 3:19:42 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Grampa Dave

Syria has been at war with just about everyone, including herself, since her very beginning. And for a long time before that.


50 posted on 04/09/2017 3:27:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: taildragger

I’m beginning to the Conservative Treehouse has been sending over some troopers to FR—might explain some of the obnoxious behavior today.


51 posted on 04/09/2017 3:33:20 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Jim Robinson

For those who might be interested in a refershed on the rise of ISIS and the status of the middle east, here is a site with some excellent maps and summary:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27838034

Bear in mint, both the US and Russia see ISIS as a threat and have a common interest in wiping ISIS out. To date, the US, along iwth Saudi, Qatar, and Turkey, have backed the rebel forces and Russia has backed Assad, and ISIS is losing (25% of it’s territory in the year 2016). If a way can be found to accelerate future losses, it would benefit the US, Russian, and Syrian interests, and it would be consistent with Trump’s promise to wipe out ISIS.

If the key to that deal was replacing Assad, we know one party (US) would be favorable, one (Assad) would not, and who really knows what Russia would say?


52 posted on 04/09/2017 3:36:27 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Rashputin; All

We have the radar tracks of aircraft. They could have dropped anything from watermelons to chemical weapons. So far, everyone who swears they dropped chemical weapons is either an Al Qaeda combatant or Al Qaeda support personnel, all in a city that has been an Al Qaeda stronghold for years.


I believe we have considerably more than radar tracks. Likely sources: electronic intercepts of communication, satellite/drone live images of impact site and casualties, human intel from the Israelis/ our own, maybe spectrum analysis of the agent from sensors aloft or in orbit.

Sources we do not wish to reveal for many good reasons.

I have seen pics from the airfield of chemical weapon containers. Are they legit? We cannot tell provenance over the Internet.

But we have far, far more intelligence than radar tracks. The question is, do we believe it?

Could it be a false flag?

A whole lot is “possible” but I doubt it. Kill off nearly a hundred of your own on the off chance that a third party will respond, when they have not for 7 years? Seems unlikely, especially since the reports are that this is simply a 10X larger example of events that have been more or less ongoing for the entire 7 years.


53 posted on 04/09/2017 3:45:50 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain
Actually, the people who were killed had been rounded up by Al Qaeda for various reasons and were prisoners, not "their own". Whatever, we agree to disagree.

I think a chemical weapons stash being hit by an airstrike and Al Qaeda gassing prisoners and using the bodies for a false flag are both more likely than Assad using chemical weapons.

Someone other than Assad in his military authorizing chemical weapons use? I don't know how likely that is but no more likely than an Al Qaeda false flag since Al Qaeda and ISIS (different names are really a joke, they're both arms of the MB) have used chemical weapons over fifty times in the past.

That's exactly why I said that at the very least we should have hit Al Qaeda in that city or somewhere important to them just as hard as we hit Assad.

Regards

54 posted on 04/09/2017 4:47:47 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Rashputin
Sorry, the refugees are 99.5% not Syrian

This is where the asylum applicants come from according to Eurostat.


55 posted on 04/09/2017 5:14:10 PM PDT by Krosan
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To: AndyJackson

Like the U.S. use of chemical weapons in Waco?


56 posted on 04/09/2017 5:17:14 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Jim Robinson

Assad is living on a Russian warship! His wife and kids are cozy in Britain.

Hundreds of thousands might die, but we don’t want something unseemly or brash to happen, like hitting the Syrian parliament or presidential palaces.


57 posted on 04/09/2017 5:18:56 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Krosan
Oh, so the vast majority of the Syrian male population (entire population 18.5 million) of fighting age is now in Europe?

Please. First, this is asylum seekers, that's a very small percentage of those flooding into Europe. Most of the horde in Europe aren't seeking asylum, they're just arriving and going to the areas set aside for them or neighborhoods where they were already a majority. Second, Eurostat figures have been questioned by the Germans, Swedes, French, in fact, everyone except the EU mob in Brussels.

Makes no never mind to me what you think, though, knock yourself out posting whatever suits your preconceptions.

58 posted on 04/09/2017 5:20:23 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, thanks for an excellent historical summary of Syria:

Syria has been at war with just about everyone, including herself, since her very beginning. And for a long time before that.

59 posted on 04/09/2017 5:31:10 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (The Democrat Party is the action arm of the Establishment Media. Thanks to Mark Twain for this!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Even if the Russians were played by Syria, they still look brilliant next to Obozos handing of the Syrian situation.


60 posted on 04/09/2017 5:45:15 PM PDT by LeoTDB69
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