But he didn't.
And here we are today...
Posted on 04/03/2017 8:38:58 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
And the REST of America has seen where THAT has gotten us!
I’m hysterical with laughter. MIT has gone full metal moonbat, politically speaking. I wouldn’t trust anything from them that had a scintilla to do with politics even as much as I’d trust a Hillary statement.
You’ll have to do better than that.
Also, why are you still using Google? They hate conservatives, plus there are many better options.
But he didn't.
And here we are today...
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trumps-34-approval-in-ibdtipp-poll-is-nothing-to-cheer-or-ignore/ ----------- Trump's 34% Approval In IBD/TIPP Poll Is Nothing To Cheer, Or Ignore
Trump backers are blaming the poll.
This is not to say that Trump hasn't contributed to his own poor ratings with his ill-conceived tweets, newbie administration mistakes, and a seeming lack of focus on the issues that got him elected. But nothing Trump has done justifies the level of hatred and vitriol being thrown at him.
The poll results have also came under fire from the right. IBD has been accused of being an arm of the Democratic Party, and our poll has been called "fake." One critic tweeted: "Polls are rigged to get the results of the pollsters desired political agenda & the proof of that is what transpired during last year's election."
Such attacks are amusing.
These numbers are sending a clear message. Regardless of who is to blame, Trump is in a serious slump. In just one month, he lost a surprising amount of support among independents and even his strongest backers — such as white men and rural voters.
For now, however, the results are what they are. Reality sometimes can be uncomfortable or unpleasant. But just as celebrating Trump's low approval is wrong, so is denying it altogether.
Misinform me once; shame on you.
Misinform me twice; shame on me.
It'll be a LLLLOOOooong time before Americans (at least FREEPERS) believe ANY 'polls' about ANYTHING again!
Of course; YMMV
Oh?
I heard that CS is dead in America.
Has been for a LONG time now.
Lucy: Charlie Brown; the latest polls; which are grounded in Common Sense; show that I've changed my lyin' ways.
I promise not to jerk the football away THIS time.
Charlie: Well; if Common_Sense® says it's ok now...
If the polls provide you aid and comfort, embrace them. Just don't ask intelligent, well informed people to do the same.
‘no one takes his polls more personally and more seriously than does Donald Trump himself.’
Untrue. Trump mocks polls and calls them fake. Trump knows better than the rest of us how wrong the polls have been about him. He despises them.
In all due respect, I do not see much point in continuing this discussion. Let the reader decide for himself whether Donald Trump cited polls with every second breath when they favored him.
Let us hope that the premier of China shares your view and not mine.
“Wonder if she sent anything to Podesta?”
On another thread today it was noted that Podesta WAS on the distribution list.
I finally got caught up with the thread. Your post 350 is a tour de force. Thanks for taking the time to spell all that out. Every line is on target.
We’re all supposed to learn as we go through life. Trump has learned a few things about polls since the time-frame you reference. He didn’t open his campaign by talking about Fake News, either. He shouldn’t be faulted simply for noticing how deep the bias against him runs—or how screwed up it was for polsters to give Hillary a 98% chance of winning the WH.
Heck; even I would do that!
I had said:
"I am not here to defend polls, I am simply here to tell you that professional politicians take polls very seriously, foreign governments judge the power of the American president on the basis of these polls, and no one but no one takes his polls more personally and more seriously than does Donald Trump himself."
In another reply I added:
"Let the reader decide for himself whether Donald Trump cited polls with every second breath when they favored him." Presumably in response to this you said:
Heck; even I would do that!
Why are we going around in circles? You would cite polls which you do not believe in? I do not believe you are flat out liar, I think you are misinformed but I do not think you are deliberately lying. Why do you say you would cite polls that favor you when you do not believe them?
Obviously because you believe they change other people's opinions and presumably their behavior.
Round and round we go in the circle. The problem with ill advised presidential actions, especially including tweets, is that they affect polls. Whether the polls are true or not, the published polls affect perceptions. You have two problems: 1) you must prove the polls are untrue, and 2) you must prove that they had no effect on the electorate, on our own politicians and on foreign governments.
Under that burden your response is to say:
Heck; even I would do that!
Frankly, I am tired of taking on circular reasoning.
Everybody knows what polls are for: manipulating public opinion—not reporting it.
And what do you do in response?
You harp about how valid they might be, and then try to link that assertion to, for instance, Presidential tweets—whose intent and efficacy are apparently beyond your ken.
You opine that the polls aren't worthless, and that some people do believe them and are influenced by them.
One small problem: who cares? These polls are, unambiguously, a weapon of the Enemy. There's absolutely no purpose to arguing about them—other than to stir up division. This is all you do around here anymore.
You've become a professional Donald Trump concern troll, and even if every single item that you constantly are wringing your hands about were unequivocally true, it wouldn't change the fact that what you're doing serves no positive end—indeed, your actions are much more likely to produce negative outcomes—like undermining morale.
Why would you want to do something like that?
I can't decide whether your behavior is deliberate, or something subconscious that you can't control—but it's just too consistent to ignore.
In any event, one would suppose that it would be best to persuade people not to rely on polls for there perception of reality. Better to look for "truth" elsewhere, instead of citing statistics—statistics which are clearly presented with a slanted agenda.
We know Donald Trump is a flawed man. With your constant reminders, how could we not know?
But your bias against President Trump borders on the pathological. I can't be the only one who sees it. (Anecdotal evidence indicates I'm not).
You can be relied upon to engage in gratuitous negativity whenever the opportunity presents itself—a tweet, a poll, a legislative setback—just like the Enemy. But why be like them?
Add to that the fact that you're dead wrong regarding so many things—such as (most recently) Donald Trump's brilliant Presidential tweet about being surveilled—and you're really doing your obviously formidable intellect no favors.
You need to accept the fact that President Trump is going to act in unconventional ways—ways which annoy you to no end—for as long as he's in office. But you need to stop taking the President hyper-literally all the time. Again, this is something that the Enemy revels in.
It's you that should learn to embrace President Trump—with all his quirks and flaws—rather than expecting him to conform to your impractical and rigid standards of etiquette.
Perhaps many people are incapable of this. But you surely aren't.
It's like I told you last year—during one of your bouts of "Trump Derangement Syndrome"—eventually, you're going to have to learn to stop worrying and love the Donald—warts and all...
Having provoked the repetition of that opinion you exploit the opportunity to excoriate me on these threads for being anti-Trump.
I say you are clinically passive aggressive.
Failing accomplishing a zot, he wants you to believe that any point I make is invalid because its author is to be despised. Consider how tyrannical the implications of Sargon's censorship inevitably become. By his lights my support of Donald Trump counts for nothing on my behalf but any criticism I make of Donald Trump should cease.
Should we have failed to criticize George HW Bush when he broke his no new taxes pledge? Should we have failed to criticize George W. Bush for the nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court? The very first vanity I made on this forum more than 12 years ago criticized George Bush for his failure to stop illegal immigration coming across the border. Should I have been shut down for advancing an opinion against a sitting Republican president? If we were around during his administration would we have forbidden criticism of Richard Nixon for founding the EPA? For his Supreme Court appointments?
Sargon wants Free Republic to abandon its role as a forum for conservative opinion to become an amen chorus for Donald Trump. I can think of nothing more dangerous to the nation or to this forum than the kind of censorship he wants to put in place. Not because Donald Trump is especially deserving of criticism, but because the absence of criticism of any person in power leads to tyranny. The First Amendment is in place to protect unpopular speech because popular speech hardly needs protection. Protecting unpopular speech is the price we pay to hear the truth because we might never know what is right unless we hear what is unpalatable. That is why the First Amendment opposes shooting the messenger as Sargon would have you do.
I ask you to judge what I say based on the merits of the arguments. Sometimes Sargon will actually engage on the merits and I never fail to deal with him on that level. More often, sadly, he resorts to attacking me personally and deprives you the reader of an opportunity to engage on a level of policy rather than personality.
The real goal of Sargon is not to shut me down, his real goal is to control you by controlling what you read.
For me to do that would make me have some kind of EVIDENCE that the conclusions they come to are wrong.
What I HAVE posted about polls is that they are no longer BELIEVED like they used to be.
The election PROVED that the 'polls' were wrong; so anyone who now still uses poll data are going to be very looked at as being lazy for not doing their OWN 'poll' to find out the truth.
Check out the 'poll'; see how many folks responded to it; find out the REAL question(s) that were asked and then call that many folks yourself.
I'll bet you very few people even WILLING to respond to a phone poll; so you'll have to call a LOT more to get the amount the poll has claimed.
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