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To: vladimir998
It doesn’t prove that at all.

It's literally the exact opposite of what you're teaching. You teach salvation is available to "all" people. Augustine says it isn't, and that "all" only means "all kinds of people, the wealthy, the poor, the old," etc.

And what you posted from John Paul II is in no way “universalist”. Notice, he does not say that everyone is saved.

At this point I think you're just being intentionally obtuse.

195 posted on 04/01/2017 8:36:28 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“It’s literally the exact opposite of what you’re teaching.”

That’s what you say. I have no reason to believe you or your interpretation of things.

“You teach salvation is available to “all” people.”

Actually, I’m saying grace is accessible to all in some way or else there would be no point to free will.

“Augustine says it isn’t, and that “all” only means “all kinds of people, the wealthy, the poor, the old,” etc.”

Again, that’s through your interpretative lens - which is not squared with everything that St. Augustine wrote. One of the problems with Protestants interpreting St. Augustine is that they ignore entire categories of his thinking. Praying for the dead, for instance, completely ignored or simply dismissed by Protestants. If there’s prayer for the dead, then the Protestant understanding of St. Augustine is wrong. Grace through the sacraments: If there is grace there, then the Protestant understanding of St. Augustine is wrong.


222 posted on 04/02/2017 5:14:51 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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