Posted on 04/01/2017 7:10:18 AM PDT by Kaslin
ummm... yes?
No 'e' on Brown at the link.
Face it. He was an anti Semite and a glutton. Henry VIII was a cruel hedonist. These two guys will never be confused with Saint Peter or Saint Paul. Two founders of the Reformation were decadent at their core. No surprise how it all turned out five hundred years later.
To quote Sarah Palin, “You betcha!”
A 1935 review entitled “The Psychoanalysis of Luther: Escape from Pessimism”, by Francis J McGarrigle. S.J.
>https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=652<
A LOT of worthless gasbags make their living parsing words from 500 Years Ago without disclosing that the vernacular and meaning words have changed in that period. They assign interpretations, and sometimes put [unspoken] words in the mouth of people.
If you don't believe me, go try to read something in old or middle English. Ostensibly the SAME language, but totally incomprehensible.
" For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting., and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants. "
"feasting and farting behind the stove," You've got to admit, that's still funny.
Meh...
Luther seems about typical of Christian clergy of any persuasion in his time. He was just a little more flamboyant. I don’t see that any Christian group has a claim on moral superiority based on Christian views at the same time in history.
“If you don’t believe me, go try to read something in old or middle English. Ostensibly the SAME language, but totally incomprehensible.”
Having read both I can tell you that they are not “Ostensibly the SAME language”. Luther wrote some pretty damning things about Jews. To discuss these things today is not just “parsing words” by “worthless gasbags”.
Good or ill, Luther wrought a religious revolution that destroyed the social and religious order of his day. Christendom was irrevocably changed. That’s worth discussing in every detail to those who are interested in the truth and history.
..perhaps he was suffering from dementia later in life. The Reformers were great on Soteriology, but their spiritualization of the OT gave birth to Replacement theology...
One of the best examinations of Luther the man was written by Herbert David Rix. It’s incredibly hard to find at a reasonable price these days: https://books.google.com/books/about/Martin_Luther.html?id=FQB_TKWpHnwC
So the words, “First, their synagogues should be set on fire...Secondly, their homes should likewise be broken down and destroyed....” have changed their meaning over the years?
Yes, Martin Luther was an anti-Semite! This is one of the reasons that those who view the letters to the seven churches as depicting the arc of Church history, identify the Reformation with the letter to the church in Sardis, the dead church! Jesus didn’t have one good thing to say about it.
Revelation 3
1 “To the angel of the church in Sardis, write this:
“‘The one who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars says this: “I know your works, that you have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead.
2 Be watchful and strengthen what is left, which is going to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God.
3 Remember then how you accepted and heard; keep it, and repent. If you are not watchful, I will come like a thief, and you will never know at what hour I will come upon you.
4 However, you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; they will walk with me dressed in white, because they are worthy.
5 “‘“The victor will thus be dressed in white,* and I will never erase his name from the book of life but will acknowledge his name in the presence of my Father and of his angels.
6 “‘“Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’
In a word, yes. Cringe-worthy stuff he said. Going back a bit further (ok, a lot), many of the so-called early church fathers had some not so nice things to say about Jews also.
Writing as he did, Luther would have been welcomed in the mosque.
>>Let’s own it with sadness and grief. To do otherwise is to be less than honest with the memory of Martin Luther.
Let’s do that, and let’s look at it in the context of his time and not ours. Eugenics and Humanism created the Holocaust, not the anti-semitism of Luther, as some like to claim.
Luther set out to reform a religion that had turned into a secular power that ruled governments and kings and committed vile acts of evil in God’s name. The actions of that secular power masquerading as the Church forced Reformers into a new Church.
Always remember that the Roman Church murdered people whose only crime was to make the bible available to the laity, which is something that we take as a right today. They did this BEFORE the Reformation. Luther may have been anti-semitic, but how many Jews did he burn or garotte?
It is amazing that God chooses to use flawed humans.
Blessed Father Luther was flawed, but used mightily to restore the Gospel of grace.
Righteousness is found in God alone and He alone gets the glory when He uses imperfect tools to accomplishing sh His will.
True, but at the same time let's waste some time by revisiting "perfecting ways of making sealing wax".
If you're going to get worked up, I suggest starting at the present time - where so called "mainstream Christian churches" condone (and sometimes PROMOTE) homosexuality, abortion, pedophilia and - islam. When those are solved, then let's work our way back and discuss what shaped some guy's attitudes 500 years ago.
Sadly, true, but not in the sense that we think today.
My understanding is that Luther expected Jews to be excited at the rise of the real, reformed church he was instituting. When they did not he turned against them.
Therefore, it was not a despisal of the semitic bloodline that originally motivated Luther. It was a religious rejection of Jews and Judaism.
That’s not good by any means. It’s just different than 20th century anti-semitism which was more a racist ideology.
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