Posted on 03/31/2017 1:45:02 PM PDT by Red Steel
[Full title] MEADOWS: The Obamacare mandates, there are 12 of them. Mark Meadows says Freedom Caucus will go along with AHCA if it kills community rating and EHB regulations
In the debate over repealing and replacing Obamacare, Republican leadership complains that conservatives have been moving the goal post. And Mark Meadows says they're right.
"Well we have," the Freedom Caucus chairman admits with a sigh during a sit-down interview with the Washington Examiner. "We've moved it much closer. All they have to do is kick a little chip shot through the goal posts...."
This comes after weeks of intense negotiation with leadership and the White House on the best way to overhaul Obamacare. But Meadows says his group of three dozen conservatives aren't asking for one thing before demanding another. Instead, he insists that the Freedom Caucus is conceding.
The group has abandoned their demand for a clean repeal. They're not asking Speaker Ryan to clear the slate and start over. Just eliminating the Obamacare mandates for coverage of Essential Health Benefits and the price controls known as "Community Rating," Meadows said "would bring the vast majority of the Freedom Caucus to a yes."
Before it went down in flames, the American Health Care Act only eliminated two of Obamacare's 12 mandates, specifically the individual and employer mandates. If Ryan can kick two more mandates, then he can get the win.
That can't be that hard Meadows said, considering Republicans campaigned on getting rid of Obamacare completely. "In the end," he said, "the request is pretty simple, just two more of the 12 Obamacare mandates."
I think the Democrat Underground is missing your anti-conservative postings over there while you’re busy posting anti-conservative posts here.
Considering what you responded to, I'm guessing this is basically an admission that your conservatism really is all about what I described.
So basically you confess that you are a retard since you just got done arguing that Meadow's position was complete repeal from the start ("dur dur dur there was agreement on replacing, only repealing, even though they were negotiating on the farking bill, which would mean, if my retarded theory is correct, that they were advancing changes to fix a bill that they had no intention on voting for even if all the fixes were made"), and now you are going to argue that they don't support "repeal only," the exact position you advocated for earlier in this thread, based on your own reading of this article.
I already know what you're going to say though. You're going to argue, like the master logician that you are, that the paraphrased part of his statements was not a direct quotation, and then, having made this discovery, you will explain that the entire weight of his statements is completely reconcilable with the idea that he supported REPLACEMENT from the start.
God help me!
We have to be practical and remain united against this Leviathan in DC. This is deadly serious and we cannot be distracted.
Any community rating is going to be most harmful to the very people the Democrats claim to care for, the poor.
Changing the regulations to define just what is an “essential” is subject to changes not requiring a new law.
There has never been a free market in insurance. It has always been regulated by state agencies. So that is a demand which is never going to be granted.
BTW there has been little free market in many industries since the 30s. It has been state capitalism since then.
Now answer the question that I asked you, paranoid retard. You made a claim that Meadows was lying. A key part of your claim, is that you think that Meadows, up until "now", claimed to be for repeal-only.
I'll now ask you the question for a second time, because once is not enough for a retard such as yourself.
Where is Meadows claiming that they always supported repeal only, up until "now"?
How do you conclude that the Congress is going to pass a law acceptable to the Lovers of Losing Caucus? This revision of Obamacare may not even pass the Senate. The Democrats are going to scream about defunding Planned Parenthood and the other positive features of the bill.
Thirty or so Democrats voted against the original Obamacare bill. There is nothing wrong with seeking their votes for this one. Then the tail stops wagging the dog.
Community Rating does not mean what you think it does.
I am almost 60 yrs old and I do not need the Little Sisters of the Poor to equalize my non-neccesary birth control because my chances of giving birth are the same as they were when I was 40. I am happily married, I do not require AIDS treatment, mental health or sexual orientation transition.
Why should the “normal” pay for everyone to be “ABBE-NORMAL”?
See “Young Frankenstein” for inference.
A win for Ryan is a loss for American citizens. Congresscritters have had years to figure out exactly what to do, and they finally get a President who will sign a repeal and Congresscritters fumble the ball. I hate the GOPe, the are only slightly better than their brethren rats across the isle.
There is another one! Freaking Flood Insurance !
Another Zero Bonus to pay for “superstorm” Sandy and with hold Federal dollars to actual Flood victims,
merely by not calling it a “hurricane” which, having lived through it and several others, it damn well was.
Barky was PURE Poison from the Get go.
Evil has reigned for the last eight years.
I think that when "conservatives" get sucked into the "defend our retarded leaders at all costs for purely triablistic reasons," they make completely stupid and now hilariously dishonest posts like yours.
I would have thought this sort of zombie-mentality died when Ted Cruz went full SJW on the Chicago riots, but I guess not.
Buzz Off Dickweed.
Here's your original claim...
And here's the question that you won't answer because you are either being dishonest or you are retartded...
Where is Meadows claiming that they always supported repeal only, up until "now"?
The upshot of the “Freedom Caucus” wanting ‘community rating’ for health insurance to be dropped is that the insurance industry must be giving the “Freedom Caucus” $$$$$$$.
THE FREEDOM CAUCUS IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY.
Obamacare is of course a bailout for the healthcare industry guaranteeing them $$$$$$$ with “We the People” paying the bill.
Ryan wanting to keep it intact indicates he is bought and paid for by the healthcare industry.
We have a clinic here in Phoenix, Az called “neighborhood Christian Clinic” run entirely by private doctors and nursing staff who DONATE their time and resources to provide medical care to poor and homeless people’s...Why can’t we repeal all12 of the mandates, open up the free markets and find ways to help encourage more of these clinics all across this great nation?
We have to lower the cost but all the $$$$$ in it with a lot of it on the taxpayer dime already (Medicare, Medicaid and Veterans Administration) makes the real reform you envision so difficult.
There’s a gravy train out there and a ‘healthcare industry’ consolidating into bigger entities, increasing profits to satisfy shareholders (including myself with healthcare stocks part of my retirement investments).
There’s money to be made with healthcare jobs as well.
A Registered Nurse can start out making 20 percent more than a teacher’s starting salary.
Yes, my daughter’s started nursing school.
May God help us to take the right actions to address this issue because politicians don’t seem to be ready, willing or able to take those actions.
You and I can write or speak to them but the $$$$$$$ from healthcare corporations, insurance companies and lets never forget the “pharmaceutical-industrial complex” aka “pharma” speak so much louder.
“Obamacare is a Democrat crap sandwich. Ryanocare is a R crap sandwich.”
You Cruzbots make no sense whatsoever. You want to cut off the freebies but don’t want people to feel any pain.
So you come up with these convoluted BS arguments about Ryancare, Trumpcare, to hide the fact that you are just too afraid to do anything.
I’ve got news for you. The repeal will hurt people in the short term. But it’s necessary pain. The prices will only come down many years from now when competition is restored in the insurance market.
So man up, repeal Obamacare and stop bitching about Ryancare and Trumpcare. Just repeal whatever you can and damn the torpedoes.
Where is Meadows claiming that they always supported repeal only, up until “now”?
Trump is suggesting we fight to get rid of the few actual conservatives in Congress. If you don’t have a problem with that I don’t know what you are doing at FR—other than being a paid shill of the GOPe in some capacity or some sort of personality cultist about Trump.
And defunding the birth control aspects of Planned Parenthood is no reason to push us to a fully nationalized healthcare system. That it is put in as a carrot to do so is insulting manipulation.
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