Posted on 03/25/2017 5:33:48 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
Excuse me Brainiac, but not passing a bill means Obamacare continues. Oy. We’re not getting a more conservative bill. Trump is seeking Democrat support. But dream on.
Filubuster has its own wiki. It’s a very conservative thing.
Utah, Texas and South Caroline state legislatures all have filibusters.
“Filubuster has its own wiki. It’s a very conservative thing.”
It was when bad legislation was something to be prevented rather than overturned.
You don’t get to pick that. The other side would disagree 180 degs.
In a large, ideological sense, conservatism opposes rapid change. The filibuster aligns with that core conservative perspective. The litmus tests du jour (immigration, abortion, Obamacare) are all ephemeral.
Paul Ryan and all the other Corporatist RINO’s are failures.....they put special interests of big business and big banks implicit in Obamacare’s forcing everyone to buy insurance coverage so the health care industry gets money flowing into it.
The Cadillac Health Care Plan Tax is another pro-big business part of Obamacare the politicians like Paul Ryan can’t live without because it caps employer health care costs and gives employers the excuse to pass costs onto employees.
“conservatism opposes rapid change.”
Conservatism opposes rapid change of that which has passed the test of time - it doesn’t say that when you’re pushed into a well you must climb out only slowly.
We are at the same location as do nothing conservatism has gotten us. I like to look at things from a vector viewpoint. We have not altered the vector of government, the whole thing is going the wrong direction and is a helpless mess that we can't seem to conceive of a strategy to change. So we take comfort in doing nothing on principle, and we further the mess along. It's killling the country.
It is definitely time for a new strategy. Maybe a moderate bipartisan effort of some kind to at least establish a form of governing by and for the people.
I take no comfort in that. It means that the truth is that we have been lying that we actually have a plan, or could do something constructive if we were in control of Congress. I sense doom, only because we really are divided as a party and have no plan except the same one we had when we were the minority. All politics all the time.
Maybe we can get term limits through. (Not)
We must get back to a limited government or this country is going to wind up killing itself.
Paul Ryan is part of the Establishment. He set Trump up. The Freedom Caucus saved *US*, from the consequences of Obamacare as it is today, except hastened through its death spiral.
Gridlock is great.
What you describe is what we have had under a succession of administrations, and it has involved zero conservatism. ZERO.
Seriously, you are proposing that in this forum? Who are you people???
Obamacare continues, yes. And the Dems own it. It is a disaster, but it is their disaster.
We avoided ownership of the crap sandwich aka Ryancare.
You GOPe types out yourselves when you break the rules by name calling
I’m no GOPe. Obamacare continues, that’s the accomplishment? OK.
The lesser of two evils in this case was not getting the GOP brand tarred with the Ryanocare crap sandwich.
And truth be told, every conservative I’ve heard and read is in agreement. The GOPe wanted the crap sandwich
Make No Mistake.
This defeat well have delivered a crippling blow to this presidency. I stopped watching the news in these past 48 hours because of its non-stop attacks on Trump who is being portrayed as an “idiot,” as “lazy” to get the policy details, as a “novice,” and in one editorial as a “buffoon.” In short, these guys in the media are non-stop salivating. You may distrust the media, call it fake news, or the liberal media, but the fact remains that such saturation non-stop negative coverage will drive down poll numbers. When a president’s poll numbers are low, the opposition smells blood in the water and they move for the kill or try derailment of a major piece of legislation.
This Bill should have gotten the support of the major players like the nurses union; doctors, and AARP etc before being offered for a vote. That’s exactly the way Obama was able to ram down Obamacare. Once again, the political class Republicans were caught napping or shall we say with their pants down.
I trust the courageous Freedom Caucus!
William F Buckley offered this:
Liberalism favors fast, reckless change. Conservatism favors slow, stodgy change. You will find fervent advocates on both sides who hate both definitions, but won’t offer a better one.
I’m confident Buckley would have agreed with me (and if not, mine is the “better one” he was looking for).
Spoken like a true Trump-doubter. Absolute nonsense.
You're correct about the Media's change from calling Trump "Hitler" and the like. Now he's a "novice", "buffoon", "incompetent", etc. Scott Adams wrote about this predictable pivot by the Media earlier today.
You're still giving entirely too much credence to the Democrats and Media (but I repeat myself), who are actually babbling in an ever-shrinking and increasingly irrelevant echo chamber of their own creation.
The Media will never again wield the influence which you so readily ascribe to them.
The best outcome for this bill was for it to fail. Otherwise, it would have been hung around Trump's neck as "Trumpcare", Americans' premiums would have continued to climb, and Trump would have been blamed for it all.
Worse, the President would have been totally dependent on Paul Ryan for the "Phase 3" fixes, which would never have come, because Paul Ryan is a GOPe pig who doesn't want President Trump to succeed.
Indeed, the person who has been hurt most by this is GOPe Speaker Paul Ryan, who simply cannot be trusted, and who should clearly be replaced due to his horrid leadership, and his attempt to sabotage the President with this abominable legislation, which was conceived in behind closed doors, written by the insurance industry, sought no consensus with the interests that were supposed to vote for it, and then was rolled out with a "take it or leave it" attitude by the Speaker.
The President dodged an Establishment bullet in this instance. Given your historical record during the campaign of tirelessly denigrating Donald Trump, I'm not surprised that you'd give us the "perspective" you just offered.
So, on the contrary: this bill's defeat might very well have saved this presidency. It's passage might have doomed it.
As usual, rumors of Donald Trump's demise have been greatly exaggerated, especially by those who are historically biased against the man...
Speaking of Paul Ryan, has anyone listened to Judge Jeanine eviscerate him tonight, saying he must resign?
Remember President Trump asked us to watch Judge Jeanine tonight?
I wonder if what she said about Paul Ryan was what he wanted us to hear.
May I ask how do we repeal Obamacare completely?
Only tax/spend issues can be dealt with through Reconcilation. Full repeal can not be done through Reconcilation. It must be done through a separate bill which the Dems will filibuster in the Senate.
To those who want full repeal, how is that accomplished?
I supported Ryan’s bill because Medicaid was being turned into a block grant to the states. A block grant is the best way to get Medicaid spending under control. No more autopilot spending, but an appropriation that Congress has to vote on each year.
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