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Health bill vote delayed in House in setback to Trump, Ryan
ABC News ^ | Mar 23, 2017 | erica werner and ricardo alonso-zaldivar

Posted on 03/23/2017 12:47:49 PM PDT by NobleFree

GOP House leaders delayed their planned vote Thursday on a long-promised bill to repeal and replace "Obamacare," in a stinging setback for House Speaker Paul Ryan and President Donald Trump in their first major legislative test.

The decision came after Trump, who ran as a master dealmaker, failed to reach agreement with a bloc of rebellious conservatives. Moderate-leaning Republican lawmakers were also bailing on the legislation, leaving it short of votes. [...]

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: ahca; obamacare; paulryan; rinocare; ryancare; ryancarebill; trumpcare
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To: newgeezer
I LOATHE the fact that the spineless RINO leaders won’t separate the bill into REPEAL and REPLACE bills.

As you should.

Why "health care" is all one big umbrella for every ache and pain and million dollar catastrophe from age one to a hundred for everyone all passed in one big fat bill goes to show you that the primary objective is government control.

161 posted on 03/23/2017 8:25:16 PM PDT by aspasia
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To: LS

Yep, this was a setback to Ryan. As was noted, while the RyanCare bill continued step-by-step through the committees, the speaker was able to tout his returning to regular order — one of his pledges — when he first ran for speaker to block a conservative from succeeding Speaker John Boehner (R.-OH).


162 posted on 03/23/2017 9:46:37 PM PDT by Balata
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To: Mr. K

Better for Trump to not be stuck with the tar baby of RyanCare....Trump is a good guy and gracious, but Paul Ryan has given Trump the job of selling skunk stew....which is a real disservice to Trump...better if Trump doesn’t put his name on this stinker. Let Paul Ryan own it.

The Freedom Caucus trusts Trump, it is the Obama-*ss-kissing Repub leadership who they don’t trust.

Better to put up for vote what Trump campaigned on...Ryan’s SkunkCare is not it.


163 posted on 03/23/2017 10:05:08 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The Democrats have not been this upset since 1863 when the Republicans freed their slaves.)
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To: Mr. K

RINO (aka “Moderates”) Repubs oppose it for cutting free sh*t.
Conservatives oppose it for keeping most of the worst of ObamaCr*pCare.


164 posted on 03/23/2017 10:06:41 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The Democrats have not been this upset since 1863 when the Republicans freed their slaves.)
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To: Rusty0604

Paul Ryan is a disappointment.


165 posted on 03/23/2017 10:09:10 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (We trust Trump....it's the Republican leadership we don't trust.)
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To: italianquaker

>>Kabuki theatre why dont they just resubmit the repeal bill they submitted multiple times when the idiot obama was in office
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Because they’ve all agreed to be prostituted, engaging in UNConstitutional activities (Federal intrusion into our private healthcare).

Now it’s just a matter of haggling over the price.


166 posted on 03/23/2017 11:07:43 PM PDT by Kalamata
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To: Gipper08

That’s the spirit! Well you’re a douchecanoe, no either about it.


167 posted on 03/24/2017 3:54:45 AM PDT by major-pelham
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To: Republican Wildcat

Trump’s “take care of everybody” is very typical Trump speak. Only the libs take Trump literally, but not seriously. If the health care system works right, it does.


168 posted on 03/24/2017 6:28:27 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: laplata

No it’s not or the libs woukd be thrilled.


169 posted on 03/24/2017 6:29:40 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

Whatever.........

One could go nuts debating and speculating and going round and round with all this.


170 posted on 03/24/2017 6:32:30 AM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: laplata

True,,, but as in the campaign/election there IS a truth and it will come out.

So far Trump has been 100% right in his instincts—though I am concerned about Mattis.


171 posted on 03/24/2017 6:40:02 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: datricker

From your link...

Here are the seven items listed, by candidate Trump, that must be done to reform healthcare/0blamieCare....

1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the
individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.

2. Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines.
As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.

3. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.

4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.

5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors
and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.

6. Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits
beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state
governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.

7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe,
reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

DOES, OR WILL, RYANCARE DO ALL OF THE ABOVE?


172 posted on 03/24/2017 6:40:47 AM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: LS

I agree on all three points.


173 posted on 03/24/2017 6:50:11 AM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: NobleFree
Paul Ryan is a putz...!
174 posted on 03/24/2017 10:37:57 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: jersey117

Post of the day


175 posted on 03/24/2017 12:21:42 PM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Ummmmm common sense populists!? Say what!?! Never thought I’d EVER in my life see on a conservative forum an open call for divesting from conservatism for personality cultist populist socialism.

Well there it is.


176 posted on 03/24/2017 12:29:17 PM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Antoninus

If it passed and he signs it it is his bill. No amount of excuse or “what he really said” can explain it away.

The top dog in charge either owns what he signs or doesn’t sign.


177 posted on 03/24/2017 12:33:32 PM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Southnsoul

And Semulow is only giving part of the story for good reason. Almost EVERY part of this bill can be tied to a budgetary item. ANY regulation or mandate is a budgetary item which is I’d posit to say is 90%. If this bill doesn’t hit that 90% then it isn’t the bill we want


178 posted on 03/24/2017 12:37:47 PM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: BruinX66

False....

The reconciliation process as stated by the GOPe is an out right lie that many have bought into hook line and sinker!

Needing 60 to overturn this thing is complete and utter hogwash and an argument used widely by the GOPe. Ryan himself (when he was busy trying to overturn it during the last admin) said over 85% could be overturned through budget reconciliation. Want to know why? Because every damn trigger and I mean every single regulation underpinning this law is a budgetary item. Because to enforce said regulation you have to fund the necessary staff to enforce it! So yes this thing can be completely overturned in its entirety. The only problem is gullible people have bought the kinnard (including Trump) that 60 is required.


179 posted on 03/24/2017 12:42:45 PM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: AcquiredAssets

You’ve bought the sauce the GOPe fed you. You don’t need 60 votes


180 posted on 03/24/2017 12:52:18 PM PDT by Jarhead9297
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