Posted on 03/22/2017 8:54:03 PM PDT by Alter Kaker
It will collapse since it won’t be funded.
This is smoke and mirrors. The gop likely already has a deal. Gotta have drama to make it look less like a handout to their cronies.
And like pelosicare, we’ll have to pass it to see what’s in it.
Suggest re-examining your premise. Top notch, affordable healthcare isn’t particularly relevant. Now, how far the gop can wedge its snouts into the trough is highly relevant. Rest assured that that plan that emerges will be highly relevant.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3537252/posts?page=8#8
Many thanks for the link & synopsis!
This is what you get when representatives and senators are more worried about their jobs, than they are about accomplishing anything substantive. I am reminded of the last time republicans had the presidency and the legislature where republicans morphed into vote buying democrats.
After all these years of repeal and replace, Ryan had nothing to back up his talk. So he shuts out the conservatives and comes up with a bill that would make Pelosi proud.
> A vote against the Ryan plan is a vote for Obamacare, for planned parenthood funding, etc.
This is a classic Hegelian dialectic abuser’s argument, and it has no place in any serious policy discussion.
There is no mandate whatsoever for anything other than a repeal of Obamacare - what Ryan is doing is against the clear wishes of the electorate and Republican voters in particular.
He isn't getting rid of an entitlement. He's replacing one entitlement with another.
Change wording of this legislation to this simple one sentence: OBAMACARE IS HEREBY REPEALED.
Ryan's epitaph.
And therein lies the big problem. To my knowledge, Trump has never spoken about replacing Obama care. He's always spoken about repealing and replacing Obamacare, something this current legislation certainly doesn't do.
It's a two step process.
There is no winning, whether the replacement bill passes, or not, or when.
The camel has his ass in the tent, we will never get all traces of him out. The government has no business in health care.
The dimocrats have won, I’m afraid. The only question now is how bad we lost.
That's because "interstate competition" is not an issue of federal spending. This is a fiscal (budget reconciliation ) bill.
To allow someone to purchase a new jersey plan regulated in texas would disallow all of the new jersey requirements for that person. they would have no standing for being held harmless in the state they reside. thus making health insurance federal.
Which is a pretty good example of exactly why it should happen.
Prior to ObamaCare, New Jersey was (or still is) the worst health insurance market in the US.
The very second TX-plans were to become available...EVERYONE IN THE STATE would rush to buy it. All the NJ domestics, due to the aforementioned wonderful NJ "requirements" would instantly go out of business, and all the insured would now have great plans at a fraction of the cost.
The only problem with hospital payments is that there are people that were not insured that some one felt needed to be covered in the e-rooms at a hospital.
That's one of the provider-side "stupidest things in the world" that needs to be banned by Price. ERs are for emergencies NOT hangnails. That's what clinics and nurse-practitioners are for.
The last human charity that hospitals couldn’t quantify (especially with influx of illegals) and couldn’t control the costs.
Even before any such surge, they couldn't control costs due to bad debt (people not paying their co-pays) and charity-care. They unashamedly passed on the costs of all this "Free Healthcare" to paying customers and insurers (costshifting)...it became a tenet of US "healthcare" (a bad one at that)
Dr Price or Congress needs to ban that practice.
Providers also need to be required to post the costs of their procedures (which vary widely) so the public can do some shopping.
Yeah, the deal is: Pass/sign this....Obamacare is dead, the RATs lose.
This is smoke and mirrors...Gotta have drama to make it look less like a handout to their cronies.
Wrong.
It defunds Obamacare, without filibuster, and with only 51 Senate votes. That's all it does. O-care doesn't work without federal dollars.
Do you want the "ACA" defunded or not?
And like pelosicare, we’ll have to pass it to see what’s in it.
You can see what's in it by reading it.
The House bill defunds Pelosi/Obama's nightmare.
They are scrambling to defund Obamacare.
He's always spoken about repealing and replacing Obamacare, something this current legislation certainly doesn't do.
You can't make "substantive changes" in a budget reconciliation bill.
It's a two step process.
Actually it's a three step process, this being the first.
Come to think of it, I still am.
Wrong.
Dr Tom Price is the architect of Republican reforms. Where is he now?
He's been nominated, approved and now sits as head of the DHHS, waiting for Congress to pass this defunding bill so he can initiate STEP TWO.
Actually that's correct, concerning the federal government. The 10th Amendment relegates powers to the states and the people. (and churches/charities)
Since their inception, insurance and other components of the "financial services" industry have been the most heavily regulated sector of the economy (everywhere in the world)
Guess why that is.
The Commerce clause allows regulation of interstate commerce. (interstate competition) After that, the good-regulation state insurers will proliferate, as the bad-regulation state companies fade away.
(or their states will quickly enact market-friendly reforms)
I get what you are saying, but why doesn’t the conservatives have a press conference with their bill so the American people can see it and see if it is better then the one Ryan has put out? What happened to bold ideas. Having a press conference is the best idea right now. Heck the Intel guy yesterday had a press conference and it was reported all over the place. Same could happen with the Conservatives and their version of the bill.
Thanks for expanding and clarifying my post.
So do you think Trump/Ryan will completely repeal the AHCA act and return the power to the states or just try to ‘improve’ it?
Can we hang this on Ryan (Ryancare)? I doubt seriously the MSM will go for that in the long run.
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