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To: surroundedbyblue

What I find curious about the opinions of many on this site is that outlawing abortion will stop it, or even make it lesser in numbers.

We all have a great laugh at gun control cities that have murder rates off the scale.

And in today’s world, 1000 underground clinics will pop up in no time. Plus the abortion pill will go black market.

You are trying to dictate morality and that ain’t gonna work.

Unless the country’s moral compass changes, all the laws in the world aren’t gonna make a dent.

God doesn’t want people to be forced to make the right decisions. That what free will is all about.

Plus it seems to many think their job ends at getting Row overturned.

It doesn’t. Foster caring, adoption, big brother/sister, donations to groups that care for these kids and even a nice chunk of federal and state money is needed to make sure these kids have a chance.

I dont see how one can be pro life and then turn away when the child is born.

Just sayin....


31 posted on 03/19/2017 4:36:24 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: dp0622

“You are trying to dictate morality and that ain’t gonna work.”

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All laws dictate morality; you’d be surprised how many of them work when they are enforced.


39 posted on 03/19/2017 5:01:24 PM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: dp0622

I agree.

Abortion is murder, imo. And, it’s legal (fact). Our side has to stop playing to the narrative of the Left. I enjoy Tomi Lahren’s blog/videos, etc. and she speaks to our youth. Her saying what she said on The View reached more people than all the posters here preaching to choir. We’re not going to roll back time. The government should have never got involved in abortion/”pro choice” just as it should not be trying to limit any of our other rights (RKBA).

She was making the case that the government should stay out of these things and speaking to those who can’t understand that philosophy.

I also agree that the government can’t legislate morality and that our moral compass has to change for any real change to take place. Just like our moral compass changed and brought about all the current moral changes we see now.

I wouldn’t want to go back in time to make that happen because there’s pros and cons with everything.

What we need is the government/liberal agenda out of our publicly funded areas. Our side trashing her helps the Left agenda.


46 posted on 03/19/2017 5:22:23 PM PDT by Twink
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To: dp0622

I haven’t seen FReepers claim that outlawing abortion will stop it. Most in the pro-life movement are not that naiive. But at nearly 3,000 abortions a day, it’s reasonable to say that outlawing abortion will save some lives.

As far as your “underground clinics”, spare me that argument that back alley abortionists will suddenly be a menace to women’s health in the face of an abortion ban. We already have irrefutable proof that doctors who make their living by killing innocent children are the unscrupulous type who don’t give a fig about the safety of the women in their “care”.

I got news for you, FRiend: murder is already illegal. Does that stop it from occurring? No. But I bet in some cases it does. And I also know that because of such a law, we are a society that does not condone the taking of another human life. Except in cases of abortion. You see, we do legally allow human beings, the most innocent and vulnerable among us, to be ripped apart in an unspeakably brutal fashion. It happened in 1973 when we legalized abortion. And look at the impact it has had on our societal norms: people no longer respect each other’s person or property, sex has no consequences or responsibilites, and women are exploited at an alarming & unprecedented rate. Do we really want to be a country that condones such an evil? Legalizing abortion did change the moral compass of our country. Banning it will have the same effect.

As far as your comments about foster care etc, again, you lose. Many, many “pro-lifers”, the ones you claim think their job ends at getting Roe overturned, staff and privately fund crisis pregnancy centers that help women with medical expenses and supplies so that they can have their babies with dignity. And they also provide adoption placement services. I am not for big government social programs, but the truth is many programs exist that can help these women: food stamps, WIC, subsidized housing, tuition assistance & job training, energy assistance, Medicaid, and on & on.

Abortion is not acceptable for any reason. It is not a privacy issue, it’s not a limited government issue, and its not a women’s rights issue. Your arguments are flawed. Try again

Oh and I have yet to meet a pro-life person who stops caring once the baby is born.

Most laws do dictate morality, so your argument there is moot.


48 posted on 03/19/2017 5:30:58 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel & a deplorable.)
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To: dp0622

If you were correct, then abortion should not have increased after Roe and Doe. In fact, it exploded.

There will always be SOME abortions. But as long as it is “legal,” we have no Constitution and no civilization.


56 posted on 03/19/2017 7:09:24 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: dp0622

Crisis Pregnancy Centers have outnumbered abortion mills by THOUSANDS for decades.

You’re just a pro-abort parrotting the same old catty lies about pro-lifers.


57 posted on 03/19/2017 7:12:52 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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