Posted on 03/17/2017 7:50:34 AM PDT by GIdget2004
I’m cool with whatever they do with Healthcare. I am sick of hearing about it quite frankly. Get it done and move on. The budget cuts in the 2018 budget is what I am most excited about. If by some miracle, that budget is passed, it will be the best budget in history. Yes even better then Reagan’s by a million miles. Reagan never cut anything.
NBC News! Waiting for a reliable source.
Repeal. Don’t replace. If you are against government health care, you are against it whether Obama does it or Ryan does it. Most everyone has been damaged by this. The very few who will be damaged by repealing it can be covered through Medicaid.
Granted, you may have to kick some more money into Medicaid, but its well worth it to get rid of the beast.
Are you really that naive? You really think Trump is a small government conservative? He spent most of his life as a Democrat. And he’s a dealmaker. He’ll make whatever deal he can. And when you make deals for a living, both sides have to get something from it, because otherwise... no deal.
He thinks he can make a deal, and thats what he’s trying to do.
GOP leadership in Congress told him they would not move on tax cuts until this was done.
That was brilliant of them. I want the tax cuts and his budget passed way more than health care. Nobody cares about the health care bill. It seems to cut taxes for everyone through tax credits. I find it hilarious around here how suddenly it is cool to pay more taxes. Weird.
Is Trump silencing Ryan like he did Romney?
bostonglobe ^
Posted on 3/17/2017 9:43:19 AM by ChicagoConservative27
If you follow the logic of an unnamed White House staffer in the Atlantic, the whole idea that former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney was being considered to be President Trump's secretary of state was a ruse from the beginning.
Romney was one of Trump's biggest critics before the election. And after Trump declined to pick him for secretary of state, how could he criticize Trump going forward and not have it look like sour grapes?
“ ‘Judas Iscariot got 30 pieces of silver; Mitt Romney got a dish of frog legs at Jean-Georges. And even at that, it was the appetizer portion,’ a high-ranking White House official told me. ‘We’ve sort of taken out his larynx — how can he criticize [Trump] now?’ ”
This might be a telling lesson for House Speaker Paul Ryan. It's becoming increasingly clear that Trump is trying to make Ryan the fall guy for the failure of the health care replacement bill. If Trump is successful, the larger point will be this: Ryan can't even lead House Republicans, so what power does he actually have?
(Excerpt) Read more at bostonglobe.com ...
Emphasis mine.
That’s not what Ryancare does.
It rearranges Obamacare.
Not one agency created by Obamacare is removed.
If the cost of medical services (and drugs) wasn’t so outrageous, we might not need as much “healthcare,” i.e. insurance.
Don't be fooled - if the Senate had 60+ Rs they would simply find a new excuse.
Plus, the Senate Rs can always torpedo the filibuster rule. That they do not, and there is no discussion of it, tells you all you need to know about this current batch & their priorities.
The thing is, for me they have to do this quickly. We need to see the benefit of it start to kick in before the 2018 elections; GOP needs something to run on. If by 2018 all we have still are promises of good things to come, its going to make campaigning much harder for all these guys.
I can’t help feeling like Ryan and company are slow-walking all of this. Where is our Supreme Court justice? We need him in place just so we can appeal the stupid rulings on refugee visas, and yet here we sit.
Obamacare was so insidious it can’t be taken out in just one fell swoop. The unintended consequences could be disastrous. I think it is going to have to be dismantled a step at a time.
Trump has no bigger enemy in Congress than Paul Ryan. Not even McCain and his girlfriend Linda are as big a threat to Trump as is Speaker Ryan.
You’re right about Trump being a dealmaker. I’ve outlined my reasons why I believe Trump is playing Ryan in the replacement bill process.
You believe Trump is actually supporting Ryan “100%”?
Now who’s naïve?
You mean the guy who slashed the top tax rate from 70% to 28%?
Brilliant is not a word I would ascribe to the RINO/globalists, but it is hard ball politics.
I suspect Trump doesn’t really care that much about what he signs, either. Like you he wants to get to the tax and budget.
Some of us do care about getting Fedzilla out of being the central decision maker for all health care and keeper of all medical records.
Control health care, control the people.
I dislike tyranny.
Sic Semper Tyranis
As mentioned in a related thread, I woudn’t be surprised if the state sovereignty-ignoring Democratic members of Congress who drafted unconstitutional Obamacare wrote it in such a way that it would be difficult for a later generation of lawmakers to repeal it without disrupting services like Medicaid and Medicare.
If such is the case then Pres. Trump probably has to let RINO lawmakers transition from Obamacare to Trumpcare in stages so that citizens depending on those services continue to do so in transition.
Corrections, insights welcome.
Of course they would not. And neither would many more Rs. Despite what they all say during campaign season (including Trump), they are obviously not serious about repealing Obamacare.
“I’m cool with whatever they do with Healthcare. I am sick of hearing about it quite frankly.”
I disagree. No matter how tired we get of this fight, it is a fight worth staying with until the end. Government run healthcare has no place in a free society and will wreck it. This cannot be left to rinos or that is what we’ll get. I believe that a slow crawl toward single payer is what most of them crave. The only solution is to reintroduce market forces and muzzle the lawyers. We must strip the government of its power in this area and I believe that we have only a small window of opportunity to do it or it may be forever lost to us.
My take? and I am not 100% for it.....
* Lou Dobbs said it, it is a jobs program.
* Think about it, Lou is right, if you get rid of all the tax issues that this bills address, it is more money in the pocket of us, so it is a round about tax cut, and it starves Obama's Beast, that unto itself is worth the price of admission.
* Such as in the Bill; return of the 5K for your FSA's, and the cap for AGI medical expenses lowered again to 7.5%.
* The one I don't know about is the greater than 50 employees you need Obamacare, if that is negotiated in, that unto itself IS a jobs program How many small and medium businesses are waiting for that beast to be gone.
* Yes Green eye shade tax policy, it is enough to curl your hair.
However, it will begin the death of a thousand cuts of Obamacare as a legislative leviathan. As soon as it passes, Dr Price needs to address the 100 Administrator "Shall's" that Sebillus imparted on us, one of which I believe was "The Qualified Plan" aka that policy we now have that cancelled your old policy that is full of bells and whistles you don't want that is helping to cause your premiums to go through the moon. In terms of major changes w/out legislation That is the money and I can't wait for Dr Price to do so.
What I need to do is talk to my CPA gnome about the "Credit". The Credit is worth more than the pre-AGI Deduction ( IRS 1040 form basic tax training 101 ). So will small business give up the Deduction for the Credit?
More important is the $14,000 issue of a max credit. I want to know more, will it be like a HSA and you can build what you don't use for when you get old? That would be Yuge.
Also, our side is constantly talking about more HSA's.... No they are here, what I want to know is will Dr Price via his "Shall" give Direct Primary Care Payments parity will all purchasers such as the small businesses with the Credit, as only Large Employer Group Plans do so now. The Savings with the Direct Primary Care w/ and HSA is on the low end of 20 to 30% on the high end double that, or that is what I am hearing.
I am not worried, I have faith in President Trump to get this "process" right, in the next 2 or 3 years, just like he would building a building and overcoming obstacles. I don't mean to be schadenfreude-al but as this beast starts failing, the cries and moans from who built this beast will be like a bad 60's Godzilla flick when they were being attacked, and I will enjoy hearing them metaphorically scream...
NBC News! Waiting for a reliable source.
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Well, Trump and Pence have both been pimping this “Beautiful” plan.
Waiting for everyone to twist themselves into knots trying justify Trump’s support for this...
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