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To: lacrew

Actually there are kids today that are never going to drive and it’s got nothing to do with self driving cars. Not everybody drives, some folks live in cities where you just never need to. And we’re seeing a trend of that group increasing in recent generations, a growing number just aren’t interested in it. With public transit and ubers it’s simply becoming an optional skill for good chunks of the world.

The article doesn’t say that within 16 years nobody will be driving as all the cars will be self driving, that’s you moving the goal posts again.

You just did. The article says that SOMEDAY in the FORESEEABLE FUTURE and you turned that into current kids, 16 years. Then of course there’s you demanding the cars be autonomous, since the cars will be taking orders from owners (not really a market for cars that just do what they want) they’ll never technically be autonomous. That’s moved goal posts.

Plenty are using cameras, because they know LIDAR has great limitations.

I already gave you info on cars driving themselves today. Your demand for parking space to parking space is a moved goal post that is outside of what I said.

Tesla and Oryx are going no LIDAR, and most of the others are using cameras and probably will be phasing away from LIDAR because, as you yourself point out, it just isn’t the right solution.


107 posted on 03/17/2017 7:54:30 AM PDT by discostu (There are times when all the world's asleep, the questions run too deep, for such a simple man.)
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To: discostu
Sigh

"The article says that SOMEDAY in the FORESEEABLE FUTURE and you turned that into current kids, 16 years."

No. It does not. This is precisely what it says:

"New research suggests that children born today will never drive a car."

“My own prediction is that kids born today will never get to drive a car,”

Can you understand that? The article is absolutely stating that kids born today (who would normally drive 16 years from now) will not drive. Its very clear.

"Then of course there’s you demanding the cars be autonomous, since the cars will be taking orders from owners (not really a market for cars that just do what they want) they’ll never technically be autonomous. That’s moved goal posts."

Again, from the article:

"Autonomous, driverless cars are not 10, 15 years out. All the automotive companies—Daimler, GM, Ford—are saying that within five years they will have autonomous, driverless cars on the road."

As far as I'm concerned, a DRIVERLESS car is pretty darned autonomous. How on earth have I moved the goal posts, when this lunatic is stating that there will be DRIVERLESS cars in FIVE years. So no I am not 'demanding' they be autonomous - the snake oil salesmen pushing this are guaranteeing it.

"Plenty are using cameras, because they know LIDAR has great limitations."

'Plenty' is not very specific. You still haven't named one large player who isn't using LIDAR. I ask again, who isn't using LIDAR? You can't tell me.

Your demand for parking space to parking space is a moved goal post that is outside of what I said.

Can you not comprehend that this article is peddling the notion of DRIVERLESS cars?

"Tesla and Oryx are going no LIDAR"

Psst - not even Tesla claims their cars are self driving in any way. Their owner's manual implores the driver to stay vigilant with his hands on the wheel.

Oryx doesn't make cars.

I've noticed in your posting history, you like to argue with fellow Freepers...in an off putting manner. Normally no more than 3-4 posts between the arguments. In this case, its as if you didn't even read the article posted...as absolutely nothing you have typed has matched the content of the article in any way. I find that fascinating. The goal is not discussion of the article...the goal must be to be argumentative, for its own sake.

108 posted on 03/17/2017 10:47:22 AM PDT by lacrew
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