Judge Nap: Obama 'Went Outside Chain of Command,' Used British Spy Agency to Surveil Trump

Kind of like in the James Bond movie “Spectre.”

61 posted on 03/14/2017 8:19:24 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticides, abortion, and euthanasia.")

Also, it probably means we spied on everything Farage said and did to undermine him.

There are no “laws” with spying. You can plant or listen to anything available to you.

It must be stopped. We have an FBI to legally spy on ourselves.

62 posted on 03/14/2017 8:24:16 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticides, abortion, and euthanasia.")

To: Helicondelta

Three intelligence sources have informed...

Could he be more nebulous?

What agencies? Current or former? Was it someone really in a position to know?

Sorry, but the Judge's history on these things isn't stellar and the sourcing here seems purposely thin.

63 posted on 03/14/2017 8:25:08 AM PDT by semimojo

And they've just opened a new super duper building in the UK. GCHQ

64 posted on 03/14/2017 8:27:38 AM PDT by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)

To: RegulatorCountry

In hindsight I think he intentionally “laundered” that pant load of a dossier, merely provided a pretext for it having been shopped all over the country well before the election. “The thing” I believe some were calling it as early as June 2016.

It was January 2016 when Rick Wilson got 4-Chang... The Wilson junk was everywhere ...remember Ted Cruz bashing Donald J. Trump's New York values??? remember Megan Kelly going to take down a Trump in that stupid debate? It was February 2016, when Obama declared Trump would never be president... I have yet to read when the Rick Wilson dirt got exported to Britain, or exactly by whom... I am guessing Evan (former CIA) McMuffin had a hand in the transactions... None of the GOPe and D-N-C expected 'we the people' to ignore their ravings...

65 posted on 03/14/2017 8:32:51 AM PDT by Just mythoughts

He can not be prosecuted. As President, he didn’t break any laws. Not the ones that apply to a President. Yes there are laws not applicable to the President due to the nature of his office. Namely the President is the commander and chief and chief executive with enumerated responsibilities in the Constitution. So much deference is given to ex-Presidents on why and what was done. Short of a charge of Treason and you can’t touch him.

Unless of course they start causing problems post Presidency. Like fomenting rebellion, insurrection, and sedition. I imagine if they took that route much of that ‘deference’ will erode quickly. Again, the Democrats drag us down to new standards.

66 posted on 03/14/2017 8:34:51 AM PDT by Fhios (Right now it looks like the condemned dragging their feet on the way to the gallows.)

Yes, cut the Brits off. Now or even sooner. They have no business monkeying around in ours.

67 posted on 03/14/2017 8:43:45 AM PDT by Bodega (we are developing less and less common sense...world wide)

To: Just mythoughts

I remember. They were all just so very smug about it, such certitude. Had their whole little narrative all lined up, on both sides of the aisle. “The thing” was behind it, this dossier. If it wasn’t for the very evident inclusion of 4Chan fan fiction porn, it might’ve worked, too.

68 posted on 03/14/2017 8:46:03 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry

To: ConservativeMind

Kind of like in the James Bond movie “Spectre.”

Laura Ingraham used to play a sound clip of the villain saying “Spectre” when ever Arlin Spector was in the news.

69 posted on 03/14/2017 8:48:22 AM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)

"They have no business monkeying around in ours."

They have always monkeyed around in ours, and we monkey around in theirs.

It's part of our "Special Relationship".

70 posted on 03/14/2017 8:51:13 AM PDT by indthkr

To: Rusty0604; McGavin999; Grampa Dave

“Obama was a friend to the Brits that were against Brexit. Trump was for Brexit, so I’m sure it wouldn’t have been hard to find someone in their own deep state willing to spy on him”

Rusty, you win the Kewpie doll.

71 posted on 03/14/2017 9:06:31 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))

The guy will be hit during the course of this investigation, so he had better go into Witness Protection...

72 posted on 03/14/2017 9:10:56 AM PDT by Nabber

To: American in Israel

If I committed a felony, could I just resign like s Democrat?

Yes. Just ask Lois Lerner.

73 posted on 03/14/2017 9:13:28 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)

Very good point, as in the dossier they cooked up in Britain.

Spot on!!

74 posted on 03/14/2017 9:15:14 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out - D. Horowitz)

To: Buckeye McFrog

That’s how they have done it for eons. We ask the Brits to spy on our citizens, and in return we spy on theirs. Everyone keeps their hands clean and away from lawsuits.

Exactly. This is common knowledge for anyone interested in this stuff. It's been known since the publication of The Puzzle Palace if not before. I believe Bruce Schneier discussed it in Applied Cryptography as well.

75 posted on 03/14/2017 9:24:39 AM PDT by zeugma (The Brownshirts have taken over American Universities.)

To: Helicondelta

Then Comey was right

76 posted on 03/14/2017 9:27:42 AM PDT by nikos1121 (We are about to see The Golden Age of Pericles in the new Trump Administration.)

To: Helicondelta

Dang, I didn’t honestly think that Obama was a total crook like Hillary. Apparently I was very wrong.

I thought I only hated Obama’s politics, but it appears this guy is a bad and sick guy.

If Trump does nothing about this stuff, I’m going to be more than disappointed. Either some folks start looking at hand cuffs or we may as well just toss in the towel. What a country we have become in just a couple few decades.

77 posted on 03/14/2017 9:28:47 AM PDT by Professional

To: Buckeye McFrog

That’s how they have done it for eons. We ask the Brits to spy on our citizens, and in return we spy on theirs. Everyone keeps their hands clean and away from lawsuits.

There have been and still are legal ways to monitor any American without a FISA or having the President, Att Gen, or FBI Director getting their hands dirty.

So did 0 have a foreign govt spy on President Elect Trump and then give the info if any to (0) ?

There are semi legal exceptions for spying from physical locations outside of the US.

The precedents were started with/by Harry Truman.

"This has been basically going on since Truman got rid of the OSS and formed the CIA and NSA. Part of their charters was not to spy on or monitor Americans."

So, we monitored Brits, Aussies, Kiwis and Canutes and they monitored our citizens to get around those bans re not monitoring your own citizens. America and the 4 countries mentioned above, formed the 5 Eyes.

So here is how this could have gone down. Obama asks Clapper privately to monitor Trump Tower and Trump. Or Obama asked Lynch to ask Clapper to monitor Trump Tower and Trump.

Then, Clapper could have asked Canada, the UK, Australia or New Zealand to spy on Trump and any American or Americans without ordering it to be done by the NSA or FBI. Leaving Obama able to say, “I didn’t order the spying on Trump Tower, or as Nixon said decades ago, “I am not a crook!”

This has been going on for decades starting with #1 through #3 below:

1. Project 5 eyes

2. Project Echelon

3. Project Prism

4. Muscular the current program run by the Brit’s GCHQ and probably financed by the CIA.

#1 and #2 go back to the early days after President Truman got rid of the OSS and established the CIA and the NSA.

As noted, neither agency, CIA/NSA were supposed to spy or monitor American citizens as per their charters.

With 5 eyes, we would/could spy on the UK/Brits, Australians, Kiwis and Canadians and let the mother countries know when they might have problems. Then, they would monitor American citizens like Trump, his people and you, for us and give the the data on those American Citizens and you

Supposedly the countries mentioned above can’t spy on their own people. Our NSA/CIA/? Could do that for our 5 EYE buddies and report back to the mother country if there was a problem with their citizens or you!

Echelon came about a little later. With the 5 eyes lateral spying agreement, Echelon became solidified and very functional for decades. We monitored their citizens, and they monitored our citizens like candidate Trump his people and you. ,

Prism supposedly replaced 5 eyes and Echelon, but the 5 Eyes/Echelon concept was/is still there.

Muscular is one of the current joint programs run by the Brit’s GCHQ and probably financed by the CIA.

So Obama would not had to ask NSA/FBI to spy on Trump. He could have had Clapper ask his counterpart in the UK or Canada or any of other 5 Eye countries to monitor Trump Towers and listen in to what was said. At this point, it was probably the Brits GCHQ and its MUSCULAR program.

The FBI may have put bugs in or set up electronic interceptions at Trump Towers for their Canadian intel counterparts to monitor all verbal and digital transmission to and from Trump Tower in October of last year until this year up to Trump becoming President. There is minimal need for bugs with today's state of electronic monitoring from afar.

So did GB/GCHQ monitor Trump, his people, and you in Trump Towers, in NYC, and then report back to Obama, NSA, FBI and ?. If so, Obama could deny that he ordered the spying?

Obama is playing a game by saying he didn’t order the FBI?NSA to spy on candidate Trump and his people. Obama probably had Clapper or ? ask his Brit/Canadian counterparts to spy on Trump and his people. Or he had Lynch ask Clapper. Then, Clapper asked Brits/GCHQ or one of other 5 Eye countries to monitor Trump Tower, Trump, his people and you!

Have fun with this data! Don’t try searching for this late at night to avoid getting insomnia. Take a baby aspirin to keep from stroking out.

Remember Clapper is probably somehow involved and is a first class liar.

Lynch may have gotten involved while exchanging pictures of grandkids with Bubba in her plane in Arizona.

78 posted on 03/14/2017 9:31:03 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( The Revolution is not over. It will not be over until Trump is Re-Elected again in 2020!!!)

To: DesertRhino; Buckeye McFrog

No, their hands aren’t clean. Its violating our law. So was killing JFK and smuggling cocaine. But intel agencies do what they want.

It's been that way since WW II; not going to change anytime soon. Look up UKUSA Agreement.

79 posted on 03/14/2017 9:31:41 AM PDT by COBOL2Java ("Game over, man, game over!" (my advice to DemocRATs))

To: Helicondelta

Can someone explain to me then how the Brits did the surveillance?

This doesn’t make sense.

Someone had Trump and his crew under surveillance. Who did and how? How can a foreign gov’t wiretap someone here, anyone?

Is this done, and our FBI and CIA and NSA turn their eye to it?

80 posted on 03/14/2017 9:32:47 AM PDT by nikos1121 (We are about to see The Golden Age of Pericles in the new Trump Administration.)

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