United we stand.
Divided we fall.
Simple as that..................
Time to separate.
Better to indict, try, convict, sentence, and hang the leaders of liberalism for treason.
A few hundred thousand should serve as examples to the rest, who can spend their nights in cold sweat waiting for the loud knock on their door.
With secession comes the need to establish defenses and maintain a state of readiness. The average Trump-Haters are going want to keep all the social programs going, but may tend to ignore or cannibalize their defense budgets.
The average Trump-Haters do not believe in defining or defending their borders, at least not now. Wait until they get treated like certain countries in the EU, Sweden, Germany and France. All American states outside of these newly seceded states will need to fortify their own borders to keep the seperatists out. It will, in short, be a big mess pleasing no one once the novelty has worn off.
Not enough geographical basis. Big city and university islands everywhere.
Best hope is some kind of home rule in locations willing to just say no to rule by federal courts.
It’s a silly question until you fully define the alternative.
We’re breaking it up for what, exactly?
The real question isn’t “when” or after what trigger. The question is “how”. Who gets what? What is the legal division of property? Who gets the nuclear weapons? How do we handle resettlement of millions of refugees? How is the debt divided?
I would love to live in Red State America, but what if my state goes with the Blues? It’s Florida. It could when push comes to shove and votes are counted. If it goes Red, then what happens to my Blueish neighbor? My Blueish sister who has lived in Florida for 45 of her 51 years?
The western empire acquiesced to be invaded and overrun by barbarians from beyond its borders, it diminished its defensive capabilities while exacting more and more taxes from the citizens. Finally it collapsed in 486 when a Germanic warlord arrived and deposed the last emperor at Rome.
The eastern empire however endured for almost another thousand years. It could be called the more prudent and conservative of the two halves of the original empire. Its military and technological capabilities were second to none (to this day we can not replicate their super-secret "Greek fire"). Had it not been for the rise of Islam and the Turkish tribes, it might have lasted much much longer. Maybe even to the present day.
Throw the dissenters out.
The land belongs to America.
All those citizens and residents who hate the USA and want to turn it into a socialist, globalist, Islamic utopia have most of the rest of the world they can emigrate to and live in the kind of socio-political systems they claim to admire.
Those of us who love America, the US Constitution, freedom, independence, self determination, self reliance and capitalism have no where else on earth to go.
Oh, they used a perfectly good reason, but based on a badly flawed premise. The "good reason" was something protected by the 10th Amendment, powers not specifically enumerated in the Constitution being reserved to the various States, but the "states rights" had to do with the propagation of the institution of slavery. And a unilateral declaration that slavery was now an illegal activity elsewhere in the United States led to the secession of the South, as the Confederacy.
Needless to say, the attempt at secession was unsuccessful, and the old Confederacy was re-integrated into the Union, under force of arms. But even after being once more a part of the original Union, the seething resentment went on for well over a century, and the "reconstructed" states were held to be sort of second-class citizens, not politically reliable for the advancing civilization of the Northern states.
But now that "decivilization" has set in in several of the states, particularly the West Coast and portions of the East coast, the divorce of the civilized part from the now feral part of the country becomes increasingly a better and better idea.
How about we just get all the liberals to move to Syria or someplace like that. There are bound to be a lot of really good real estate buys over there nowadays and the libs can have all the “multiculturalism” they want.
How about we just get all the liberals to move to Syria or someplace like that. There are bound to be a lot of really good real estate buys over there nowadays and the libs can have all the “multiculturalism” they want.
Breakup is inevitable.
We haven’t even had 65% eligible voter turnout since 1908. Most of the time it was way less than that and dramatically less for local and state elections in non-presidential election years. The point being I can’t see any succession happening if normally 40-50% of folks don’t even deign to vote. And yes, if nothing happened over roe v wade I have hard time imagining it happening over anything else. Things would have to get way worse as far as the general comfort level. Heck, our poorest are the most likely to be obese, something that’s never happened before. That would probably have to change for any type of sustained unrest to happen I think.
Freegards
About 10 years ago, I read the book “Breaking Point”. It was about Quebec’s 1995 secession referendum.
IMHO, the referendum failed for two reasons - one was that Quebeckers wanted to continue getting goodies from Ottawa as well as getting their butts continually kissed.
The second reason was that the sheer enormity and complicated nature of secession was almost too much to consider. The book dwelved (sp?) into that aspect. It was truly a daunting process and one that not many wanted to embark upon.
I think the same exists here in the United States. The process is not quite as easy as it was in 1861 - economically, militarily and culturally.
I suggest the breakup date be the day after it has been reliably determined, beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt, that Hell has frozen over - solidly.
re Rethinking The American Union for the 21st Century...
Donald Livingstonpelican publishing
2012
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Good Reading!
Gunny G
@ Planet WTF!
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Simple answer. The left will never let their slaves go. And make no mistake working Americans are the govrnment’s slaves.
320 million cannot be governed by 535 people. This has been a sick joke since WWII.