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Tear Down this Dam?
The Hill ^ | 14 Feb 2017 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 02/18/2017 12:51:12 PM PST by Rummyfan

Tear down this dam? © Getty Images Oroville dam, the tallest in the nation, is currently in danger of structural failure.

Thousands living downstream from its desperate cascading water releases are evacuating their homes in Hollywood disaster-film fashion. Something premodern and apocalyptic like this was not supposed to have happened in a postmodern California of Google, Hollywood, and Napa Valley wineries.

California’s politicians and pundits in recent years of drought swore the state was entering a cycle of permanent drought (and thus saw no need to start construction on a single dam to store the rain and snow that supposedly would not return). Instead, they warned of the “settled science” of climate change and the need for permanent conservation and restrictions—even as near record storms this year have pushed California’s snow and rain levels in many places to over 200 percent of normal, well beyond the ability of our now ossified water projects to store the deluge that heads out to sea.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; dam; dams; drought; oroville; orovilledam; water
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1 posted on 02/18/2017 12:51:12 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan

Not to worry, if the Oroville Dam fails, the whole LameStreamMedia will say it’s Trump’s fault.


2 posted on 02/18/2017 1:01:51 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Rummyfan

Jerry Brown should stand first in the dock.


3 posted on 02/18/2017 1:05:55 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Rummyfan

We need to fix this and other dams. We need to build new ones. All of the talk of getting rid of the dams ignores the reason we build them in the first place. It is sad that nobody has put the money into maintaining them and that needs to be fixed.


4 posted on 02/18/2017 1:07:10 PM PST by Reno89519 (Drain the Swamp is not party specific. Lyn' Ted is still a liar, Good riddance to him.)
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To: Rummyfan

The left will consider this a win if the dam fails. IMO. They are taking them down up here because of their precious salmon.


5 posted on 02/18/2017 1:08:29 PM PST by ColdOne (( miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11~ Best Election Ever!)
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To: Rummyfan

Obama and Jerry Brown spent millions on a dam in California and did not do anything to this one. I forget the name of it. That must have been a pay day for some donation or a political favor. ANOTHER waste of money,fraud or political favor that wasn’t needed.
CALIFORNIA IS A giant sucking hole that needs draining.


6 posted on 02/18/2017 1:11:46 PM PST by Herman Ball
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To: Herman Ball
CALIFORNIA IS A giant sucking hole that needs draining.

Actually, it needs to be filled up, with water that is.

Instead of building dams and maintaining what they had, money went to their train from nowhere to nowhere. RATS are famous for making idiotic decisions.

7 posted on 02/18/2017 1:17:30 PM PST by politicianslie (What would a terrorist do if he were made POTUS? : Exactly what Hussein Obama did)
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To: Rummyfan

Methinks CA should build a train to nowhere instead of fixing their water problems.

Makes sense if you are a legislator in the cereal state.

5.56mm


8 posted on 02/18/2017 1:17:35 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Rummyfan

Throughout this long California drought, I kept thinking of those AMEX tv commercials featuring Yvon Chouinard, founder of Patagonia, proudly declaring himself a “dambuster” and saying, “When you take out a dam, that’s a real victory.” Can he be charged with anything?


9 posted on 02/18/2017 1:18:31 PM PST by Oratam
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To: Rummyfan

What you critics of Cali politicians fail to understand is that there was a consensus of 97% of the world’s climate scientist that California was in a permanent drought. They were also certain that snowfall would be an unusual event in California’s mountains. Therefore, California’s dams and reservoirs were at no risk, and it made no sense to expand that system. Conservation of water and reduction in CO2 emissions was the only viable strategy.

Like every politician ever, Cali politicians had to determine priorities. Informed by the consensus of 97% of climate scientists, they favored choo-choo trains, alternative energy, and transgender restrooms.


10 posted on 02/18/2017 1:21:07 PM PST by Skepolitic
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To: politicianslie

Must be slipping,I forgot about that.Thanks for the reminder and bringing it to our attention. We need to keep getting the truth out.


11 posted on 02/18/2017 1:21:33 PM PST by Herman Ball
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To: Rummyfan

They tell me the fault line runs right through here
So that may be, that may be, what’s gonna happen, gonna happen to me
That’s the the way it appears

They tell me the fault line runs right through here
Atlantis will rise, sunset Boulevard will fall
Where the beach use to be won’t be nothin’ at all
That’s the way it appears


12 posted on 02/18/2017 1:24:38 PM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Rummyfan

“California’s politicians and pundits in recent years of drought swore the state was entering a cycle of permanent drought (and thus saw no need to start construction on a single dam to store the rain and snow that supposedly would not return).”

Every time I find myself reading an article and thinking “if all those people really said the ridiculous things this author says they did, why couldn’t he find at least one, or better yet five, good quotes to prove it” I check the name of the author and it’s Victor David Hansen.

My reaction is always the same: if your point is so obvious that everyone already knows it what is the point of the article?


13 posted on 02/18/2017 1:25:54 PM PST by edwinland
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To: Herman Ball

Folsom dam received millions to update, and the update was not needed.

The 2009 stimulus package funded millions of dollars for safety improvements for a dam in California that was in “good shape,” but not to the Oroville Dam that is now on the verge of a spillway crisis.

Nearly 200,000 residents north of Sacramento were ordered to evacuate after fears that erosion would cause the emergency spillway to fail, which would lead to “catastrophic flooding“ from a 30-foot wall of water.

Despite more than a decade of warnings about Oroville, there is no public record of the country’s tallest dam receiving any of the more than $34 billion from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act sent to California for infrastructure projects.

Over $22 million in stimulus funds did go toward safety improvements to the Folsom Dam, which was described as in “good shape” at the time the grant was awarded in 2009.

Excerpted full story of Obama and Brown wasting our tax $’s.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/obama-stimulus-funds-went-california-dam-good-shape-not-oroville/

PS: The money went to liberal voting areas not to areas which didn’t vote for Obama.


14 posted on 02/18/2017 1:29:52 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Concerned trolls/NeverTrumpsters, don't know to celebrate winning as they buy into fake news!!!!)
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To: Herman Ball

$22 Million on the FOLSOM DAM.


15 posted on 02/18/2017 1:32:43 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Grampa Dave

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Its all about filling the unions’ coffers.

Oroville dam is only having a democrap incompetence crisis.

You can’t keep a reservoir so nearly full in the middle of winter. This is just another of many Jerry specials.
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16 posted on 02/18/2017 1:35:57 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Herman Ball

Folsom Dam?


17 posted on 02/18/2017 1:41:46 PM PST by umgud
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To: onedoug

Take a close look at this dam and you’ll see it’s a disaster just waiting to happen. It’s not a concrete dam as is Boulder Dam, it’s an earthen dam with a tiny concrete spillway at its western side. The slightest leak on or around that earthen dam will cause it to fail just as disastrously as did the earthen levees in New Orleans during Katrina.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Oroville+Dam,+Oroville,+CA+95966/@39.5120643,-121.4845691,2686a,20y,44.47t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x809cb7b1f7f519ab:0x6582f3a54fb9c7f0!8m2!3d39.5428592!4d-121.4922246


18 posted on 02/18/2017 2:02:45 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: politicianslie

I do not think any money has been spent on the bullet train yet other than cost estimates.


19 posted on 02/18/2017 2:05:09 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: Rummyfan
There was one inaccurate sentence in an otherwise excellent article "In crude reductionist terms, the teeming San Fernando Valley and Santa Barbara wants the water that rural Oroville wants to get rid of."

There are plenty of fields between Thermalito and Grapevine that could use the water from Lake Oroville. Resistance by Northern Californians to the dam was base on the fact that it drove up the cost of irrigation water for Northern farmers while we were stuck with increased sales taxes to help pay for the project. Basically, the north got flood control, a lot of short term and a few long term jobs and a good fishing hole. The south got the water they needed to triple their population and expand their economy. The south became rich and politically powerful. Most people in the north either left or stayed poor.

The one benefit that equalized the deal was that a lot fewer people in the north lost their homes and drowned because of flooding. Now, due to indifference and the fact that the state government didn't want to channel a great deal of money from the mostly blue south to the mostly red north to cover basic maintenance, that one benefit is in jeopardy.

20 posted on 02/18/2017 2:10:23 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Proudly deplorable since 2016)
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