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To: EarthResearcher333
Here's a sketch I made of how I see the drainage system as built. Over the past couple of weeks, I've spent a lot of time over @ Metabunk, discussing the drains with several other technical types. It's not to scale, and I believe each collection along the wall footing served as many as 10 underslab drains. One of the things we learned was that the drainage system was fabricated using vitrified clay pipe (VCP). It is similar to glazed pottery and is rather fragile. If the plugged drains as shown in the photo, well, that water was going somewhere. I suspect it washed out the fill alongside the outside wall, then the washout progressed up underneath the wall and main slab.
2,094 posted on 03/01/2017 2:15:50 PM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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Appreciate it, abb and EarthResearcher333.

Metabunk’s been a good resource for studying this situation and learning.


2,095 posted on 03/01/2017 2:58:02 PM PST by meyer (The Constitution says what it says, and it doesn't say what it doesn't say.)
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To: abb; Grampa Dave; Jim 0216; maggief; Mariner; Ray76; daisy12; janetjanet998; LucyT; Yaelle; ...
>>Upper Main Spillway Mystery: What's being worked on & why? Stream of buckets by workers…

Here's a puzzle for y'all (and you too Freeper "abb"- welcome). A few days ago a swarm of workers (bees, yellow jackets :-) ) were shuttling buckets of some type of material to a location adjacent to the upper main spillway concrete wall. What is potentially coincidental (and unconfirmed) was radio traffic of a crack in the upper main spillway dam road. This (unconfirmed) radio traffic included back & forth talk of water leaking in this "crack". All of this coincides with the mystery "bucket" activity.

If there were to be any type of seepage or leaking from a crack in the dam roadway, it would have to been equal to or lower than the water level at that time. The surface of the spillway is at 813.6ft MSL. The walls of the spillway are stated to be from 20-24ft high. Rough calc: Using 22ft for a wall height, this puts the wall near 835.6ft at the location the workers are shuttling to and from. You can see one of the workers bent over looking down to the location of interest. (where everyone is going to and from). Since they are carrying empty buckets on the way back, and you can see others carrying non-empty buckets (via weighted buckets in their posture) going to this location, this indicates material is being deposited.

The water level was above 850ft at the time of this work. If the workers w/ hats are 6ft this puts the location at 829.6ft. Thus the water side of the spillway entrance is at least 20.4ft higher than this location of interest.

For the sake of theoretical discussion, if there were some type of crack & leak discovered, it most likely would have been on this side of the dam road. Why? Because the dam road curves downward in elevation towards the Emergency Spillway and is within the 20.4 ft "head" of water pressure. Could it be possible that water is finding its way into the berm to the left of the workers? The grout curtain is deep at the footing of the spillway (at least 50ft deep). But is water finding its way through cracks?

Has there been any official statement on why such a concentrated focus of shuttling of big buckets of material to this location? Also note the minor rockfall from the embankment near this location (could be just another coincidence).

The other mystery is what material leaves this very "mud looking brown color" in the buckets?

I just find it interesting.




2,101 posted on 03/01/2017 4:10:22 PM PST by EarthResearcher333
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To: abb; Grampa Dave; Jim 0216; maggief; Mariner; Ray76; daisy12; janetjanet998; LucyT; Yaelle; ...
>>Feedback on your Sketch + Construction modifications of Main Spillway Drain System...

Hi abb, I would alter your sketch to angle the horizontal drain pipes upslope. Although the original design stated "horizontal pipe drains" (1)(2) , they were "redesigned" or modified during actual construction to be angled upslope - denoted as a "herringbone pattern" (3). The yellow highlighted archives describe the angled slope (downward) into a "Longitudinal collector system". The modifications of angling in addition to resizing the drain pipe to 6 inches allowed for "increase in flow capacity" and "its self-cleaning ability". Makes sense.

The drainage system depended on a "foundation" beneath the concrete slabs with gravel "enveloping the drain pipe" to facilitate the collection of water. Line item (4) infers that the pipe was partially encased into the concrete floor of the chute, but surrounded (enveloped) by gravel. Early photographs of the Main Spillway bed show a compacted layer of aggregate and/or gravel at the top of the Main Spillway outlet gate area. Construction archives do not define the extent or thickness of this layer & if this layer was continuous underneath the full length Main Spillway. The only term used is "foundation". (Insiders with further info - invited here to chime in…).



2,117 posted on 03/01/2017 7:46:46 PM PST by EarthResearcher333
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