Posted on 02/12/2017 4:26:47 PM PST by janetjanet998
Edited on 02/12/2017 9:33:58 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
It was really frustrating. We had citizen-journalists hiking around check points to get to where they could broadcast a periscope report of the primary spillway.
At the end of the day, CHP (California Highway Patrol) put up a shot of the emergency spillway. To the far left, a lot of water coming from parking lot overflow, and too much brown water, indicators of very active erosion, Not rock! I watched a scam video supposedly of the damage. it went away when daylight came and they switched to an old recording of another flood.
One of the live TV bcsts said the lake level was 3’ below the auxiliary spillway this morning, but I’ve seen no pics or video.
DWR website shows lake level at 897.55, so 3.5 feet below level of emergency overflow - 901 feet.
FUBAR
Another example of what voters get when they keep electing liberals/democrats.
They have known for three years they had a defective spillway. I do not have much faith in the DWR managers over-seeing this. They have to be in a huge CYA mode trying to look good.
Vantage points exist where a competent TV broadcast crew could be shooting a live shot right now.
The sun is up and citizen-voters want to see the damage.
Only video I’ve seen this AM is shots of crews filling slingbags with riprap.
I did notice about an hour ago they moved from close up to a long range shot.
Exactly, they knew in 2013 that a crack had developed in the main spillway and was in danger of being undermined, and yet all they did was a minor patch job instead of fixing the underlying problem.
Are they deigning to tell the 200K evacuees when they’ll likely be able to return, or do they need to find new jobs, schools, houses, lives?
are you sure its live?
if it is do you mean water still flowing over the spillway or just down the hill?
It’s the CA red counties you’re talking about punishing here, they’re not responsible for the outrageous behavior of the Democrat state government. This needs to be taken care of to the extent possible without delay. Being suspicious of the state diverting federal aid to fund further moonbattery is not unfounded, so there’s a certain logic to federalizing emergency measures and repairs specific to the Oroville dam. However, returning to the Katrina comparison that keeps cropping up, I recall that the Army Corps of Engineers was wrongfully blamed for levee problems in the New Orleans area, so federalizing the matter creates a scapegoat. It needs to remain clear exactly whose problem this is and whose problem it remains, the state government of CA.
The Spillway is at the top of the picture. You can see the top of the dam, then the white structure at the end is the permanent spillway, and the emergency spillway is just beyond that.
Right now the view is so far you can't really tell anything except that water is flowing at that end, but until about an hour a go they had it zoomed in on the spillways and it sure looked like water was still flowing over the top.
Full disclosure though, since the water is supposedly down but only a couple feet below the rim the camera angle could just look like it is still overtopping. The flow would still be there if they were releasing down the main spillway to lower water more.
They will have to do controlled releases while doing repairs no mater what as the inflow to the lake will cause it to rise back up within a matter of hours.
“Are they deigning to tell the 200K evacuees when they’ll likely be able to return, or do they need to find new jobs, schools, houses, lives?”
One of our earlier posters, janetjanet998 posted her observations yesterday shown below.
Janet’s posts/replies were apparenly more accurate than the Governor Brown’s tv stations from the Sac. area.
There was almost an info blackout yesterday.....no official video or live shots of the emergency spillway...but i saw on youtube a shot from a distance and noticed the road that goes to the boatramp completely eroded away...and it was undercutting bad...but then at the press conference in the afternoon they said “mininmal” erosion and Im like WTF?
the good news is that 100,000 continue to spill of of the controlled spillway ehich means it must not be doing any more great damage at those rates
515 posted on 2/13/2017, 7:07:21 AM by janetjanet998
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3524221/posts?page=515#515
So what's the real situation? ‘Hey, we got a hole forming, and it's cutting back towards the face of the emergency spillway, I think this thing's going to go within an hour.’ (45 minutes of discussions later) Evacuate Oroville. About 30 minutes later, Yuba & Sutter counties ordered evacuations of low areas, and then 20 minutes after that, Marysville was ordered to evacuate.
I'm not sure what the plan is at this point. The dam is stabilized at this time. They have a plan to shore up the areas of concern, though the damaged spillway is still an ongoing issue and will likely remain so until July.
Meanwhile, twiddling thumbs in a hotel waiting for more information.
I live behind Mansfield Dam, which would wash Austin to kingdom come if anything bad ever happened (mixed feelings there), so these situations terrify me. But we locals would know exactly what the problem is and what to expect.
It just seems like Moonbeam’s position is like ‘nunya bidness’ to investigation/coverage of this.
I guess dropping it 50ft will enough to store the incoming rainwater? Supposed to rain for a week? Stay safe.
Dropping it 50ft will give them the cushion to continue to manage the outflow from the dam using both the power plant and the regular spillway without letting the lake reach the emergency spillway level.
Two idiotic forces are at work; first and foremost has been the spending of billions on the train to nowhere when the spillway should have been fixed during the dry years. Second idiotic force was curtailing the outflow of the damaged spillway to reduce silt in the river to protect fish.
Both of those now have at least 120k people no longer in their homes.
Oroville is a concrete and bedrock dam. It is not an earthen (soft earth and rock) structure and is not in danger of failing. There is concern for a 320ft long section of concrete that acts as an uncontrolled spillway when the lake level gets about 900 feet, and worst case scenario would be like a 30ft dam failing.
ONLY that portion is in danger.
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