It is turning out “fossil fuel” is a misnomer. We are recovering oil from depths that never saw a dinosaur footprint or a big fern. This stuff is made in the mantle from raw materials that we can’t possibly exhaust.
Interesting, especially as a former geology major many moons ago. Do you have a source for that?
Exactly why I put (?) behind ‘fossil’. Ya know, just how many friggin’ dinosaurs and how much flora and fauna do these people think there was/were anyway? I’ve seen several articles about “abiotic” petroleum in the past few years. I’m kinda leaning that direction. Which reminds me, I gotta go fill up Mrs. rktmans car this morning. And no, I am NOT saying she is a dinosaur. ;-)
I’ve seen that asserted a lot... I really don’t know, though underground formation of hydrocarbons would be happy, happy news. However, in a way it still depends on renewables. Why? Because these still need oxygen to burn, and our Sun is giving that to us through photosynthesis worldwide.
Decades ago, there was a science guy who suggested “continuous seeps” of oil.
You are correct! I call it earth’s blood. I also think it functions like a hidraulic shock absorber, cusioning shifting land, and perhaps causing shifts like magma does. Its hard to say how long it takes to make oil in the earth, but as long as it isn’t used up faster than it can be made, it will last a long time. It’s renewable.
That’s one theory. Of course coal deposits seem to indicate otherwise. In any case, the hydrocarbon is nature’s battery, it is how the sun’s energy is converted and stored. So yes, I have a solar powered car. ;)
But you're right, by the time we might have exhausted our supply of fossil fuel, we'll have moved on to other more efficient alternatives.
They won't be mass-produced solar or wind. Excellent ideas on an individual size, but they don't scale up well. The sooner we get over them, the sooner we can start thinking out of the box and looking for other sources. Tidal or wave energy strikes me as a likely possibility.
Heck, it's not as sexy as solar or wind power, but investing Billions into revamping our infrastructure (instead of flushing it on useless pet political projects....) would recoup a massive amount of energy and extend the current life of our current grid.
But I'm just an electrical engineer, not a politician, so I'm not qualified to discuss such things....
For what it’s worth...
Of all the planets in the solar system other than Earth, Mars has arguably the greatest potential for life, either extinct or extant. It resembles Earth in so many ways: its formation process, its early climate history, its reservoirs of water, its volcanoes and other geologic processes. Microorganisms would fit right in. Another planetary body, Saturn’s largest moon Titan, also routinely comes up in discussions of extraterrestrial biology. In its primordial past, Titan possessed conditions conducive to the formation of molecular precursors of life, and some scientists believe it may have been alive then and might even be alive now.
To add intrigue to these possibilities, astronomers studying both these worlds have detected a gas that is often associated with living things: methane. It exists in small but significant quantities on Mars, and Titan is literally awash with it. A biological source is at least as plausible as a geologic one, for Mars if not for Titan. Either explanation would be fascinating in its own way, revealing either that we are not alone in the universe or that both Mars and Titan harbor large underground bodies of water together with unexpected levels of geochemical activity. Understanding the origin and fate of methane on these bodies will provide crucial clues to the processes that shape the formation, evolution and habitability of terrestrial worlds in this solar system and possibly in others.
Methane (CH4) is abundant on the giant planets—Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune—where it was the product of chemical processing of primordial solar nebula material. On Earth, though, methane is special. Of the 1,750 parts per billion by volume (ppbv) of methane in Earth’s atmosphere, 90 to 95 percent is biological in origin. Grass-eating ungulates such as cows, goats and yaks belch out one fifth of the annual global methane release; the gas is a metabolic by-product of the bacteria in their guts. Other significant sources include termites, rice paddies, swamps, leakage of natural gas (itself a result of past life) and photosynthetic plants [see “Methane, Plants and Climate Change,” by Frank Keppler and Thomas Röckmann; Scientific American, February 2007].
Volcanoes contribute less than 0.2 percent of the total methane budget on Earth, and even they may simply be venting methane produced by organisms in the past. Abiotic sources such as industrial processes are comparatively minor. Thus, detection of methane on another Earth-like object naturally raises the prospect of life on that body.
In the Air
That is what happened with Mars in 2003 and 2004, when three independent groups of scientists announced the discovery of methane in the atmosphere of that planet. Using a high-resolution spectrograph at the Infrared Telescope Facility in Hawaii and at the Gemini South Telescope in Chile, a team led by Michael Mumma of the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center detected methane concentrations in excess of 250 ppbv, varying over the planet and perhaps over time.
Vittorio Formisano of the Institute of Physics and Interplanetary Science in Rome and his colleagues (including me) analyzed thousands of infrared spectra collected by the Mars Express orbiter. We found methane to be much less abundant, ranging from zero to about 35 ppbv, with a planetary average of approximately 10 ppbv. Finally, Vladimir Krasnopolsky of the Catholic University of America and his colleagues, using the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope, measured a planetary average of about 10 ppbv. They could not determine the variation over the planet because of poor signal and spatial resolution.
Mumma’s team is now reanalyzing its data to try to determine why its value is the outlier. For now, I will take the 10 ppbv value as the most likely. It corresponds to a concentration of methane (in molecules per unit volume) that is only 40 millionths of the concentration in Earth’s atmosphere. Nevertheless, even the barest presence of the gas demands an explanation.
Although astronomers detected methane on Titan as early as 1944, it was only the additional discovery of nitrogen 36 years later that generated the immense interest in this cold and distant moon [see “Titan,” by Tobias Owen; Scientific American, February 1982]. Nitrogen is a key constituent of biological molecules such as amino acids and nucleic acids. A body with a nitrogen-methane atmosphere, where the ground-level pressure is one and a half times that of our home planet, may have the right ingredients for molecular precursors of life and, some have speculated, even life itself to form.
Methane plays a central, controlling role in maintaining Titan’s thick nitrogen atmosphere. It is the source of hydrocarbon hazes, which absorb solar infrared radiation and warm the stratosphere by approximately 100 degrees Celsius, and of hydrogen, whose molecular collisions result in a 20-degree warming in the troposphere. If the methane ever ran out, temperatures would drop, nitrogen gas would condense into liquid droplets and the atmosphere would collapse. Titan’s special character would change forever. Its smog and clouds would dissipate. The methane rain that seems to have carved its surface would stop. Lakes, puddles and streams would dry up. And, with its veil lifted, Titan’s stark surface would lay bare and readily accessible to telescopes on Earth. Titan would lose its mystique and turn into just another satellite with thin air.
could it be that methane on Mars and Titan has a biological origin, as on Earth, or does it have another explanation, such as volcanoes or impacts of comets and meteorites? Our understanding of geophysical, chemical and biological processes has helped narrow the field of possible sources on Mars, and many of the same arguments apply to Titan as well. ...”
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/methane-on-mars-titan/
Thanks for reminding folks.
Wasn't a big hit in the faculty lounge.
Subduction of carbonate rock plus water, depth to avail sufficient pressure, and intense mantle heat set up chemical reactions. Liberated methane and other light hydrocarbons then rise toward the Earth’s more shallow rocky layers.