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California Goes Confederate
Townhall.com ^ | February 9, 2017 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 02/09/2017 6:31:04 AM PST by Kaslin

Over sixty percent of California voters went for Hillary Clinton -- a margin of more than 4 million votes over Donald Trump.

Since Clinton's defeat, the state seems to have become unhinged over Trump's unexpected election.

"Calexit" supporters brag that they will have enough signatures to qualify for a ballot measure calling for California's secession from the United States.

Some California officials have talked of the state not remitting its legally obligated tax dollars to the federal government. They talk of expanding its sanctuary cities into an entire sanctuary state that would nullify federal immigration law.

Californians also now talk about the value of the old Confederate idea of "states' rights." They whine that their state gives far too much revenue to Washington and gets too little back.

Residents boast about how their cool culture has little in common with the rest of the U.S. Some Californians claim the state could easily go it alone, divorced from the United States.

Sound a bit familiar?

In December 1860, South Carolina seceded from the Union in furor over the election of Abraham Lincoln.

Lincoln did not receive 50 percent of the popular vote. He espoused values the state insisted did not reflect its own.

In eerie irony, liberal California is now mirror-imaging the arguments of reactionary South Carolina and other Southern states that vowed to go it alone in 1860 and 1861.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: calexit; california; kalifornia; vdh; victordavishanson
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To: Kaslin

California is over half Hispanic. This is what happens when you import millions of people into the country who vote democrat. One party extremist rule.

It should serve as a warning to the rest of the country.

I hope they secede. Who needs them? they are finished anyway.


41 posted on 02/09/2017 7:01:06 AM PST by Cubs Fan (Modern day liberals are the most intolerant, hateful, and violent people in America)
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To: Kaslin

Round up all the illegals in the country and drop them off at the CA border.


42 posted on 02/09/2017 7:01:36 AM PST by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: aces

California is broke.

The CalPERS cow has mastitis.

Orville Dam has a massive spillway problem potentially endangering thousands upon thousands of people.

Only Uncle Sugar has the money and authority to step in.


43 posted on 02/09/2017 7:02:20 AM PST by ptsal
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To: Hostage

If CA secedes and the US Army invades I will fight with the Californians. Just on general principles.


44 posted on 02/09/2017 7:02:37 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 21st Century Crusader

Margin by motor voters.


45 posted on 02/09/2017 7:03:48 AM PST by ptsal
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Nothing would be better for America than for California to leave and take its 55 electoral votes with it. We would probably never have another libtard President again without those 55 automatic elector votes for people like Hitlery.

Break it up into two or more states, and the Republicans would get a chunk of those 55 electoral votes every time. Problem with the current situation is that California is a winner take all in which the heavily populated leftist cities always outvote the more conservative rural areas.

We can let the leftist parts of the state form their own country.

46 posted on 02/09/2017 7:04:13 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: D Rider

How many American kids have to die dragging CA back into the union to end up in the exact place we are now? How f-ing stupid would that be? No war, peace.


47 posted on 02/09/2017 7:05:00 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Not to mention the 2 senators and the congress critters and their staff.


48 posted on 02/09/2017 7:05:57 AM PST by DownInFlames
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To: Kaslin

I have lived in Southern California my whole life, I can tell you Trump is absolutely reviled in this stupid state. Whites, Hispanics, Asians, Blacks, 3 out of every 4 people hereseems to hate him.

I currently live and grew up in a once more conservative area in eastern LA County. The demographics in this part have not shifted a whole lot since I was a kid, but the politics sure have. Friends who grew up in conservative homes and were conservative in their young adulthood are now 0bama style leftists. Much of my own family have gone from Reagan Republicans to Clinto/0bama Democrats. And this is in Southern California. The are even more left up North!

California is a lost cause. When Moonbeam II is over there is still no hope because the torch is only going to be passed to Gavin Newsome or Antonio Villragosa in 2018 by a landslide.

The only hope is let the state crash and burn and then maybe some conservatives can come in and pick up the pieces.


49 posted on 02/09/2017 7:07:37 AM PST by Angels27
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To: D Rider

There are only 50,000 Marines. Do you really think 50,000 Marines can take a country the size of CA with 35,000,000 people? LOL.


50 posted on 02/09/2017 7:07:56 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: NFHale

I love that quote.


51 posted on 02/09/2017 7:08:32 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Not to worry friend. Just create the new state of NorCal and help us shell Pena Nieto's army and the cartels when they arrive to help their General Sarah Silverman and her Hollywood army in the breakaway republic of SoCal-Azatlanistan..

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52 posted on 02/09/2017 7:11:24 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: central_va

Imagine if we had 50,000 Marines in Iraq.


53 posted on 02/09/2017 7:11:39 AM PST by D Rider
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To: DiogenesLamp
We can let the leftist parts of the state form their own country.

Just what the US needs: Calestinians. Like they'll be contented with parts.

54 posted on 02/09/2017 7:12:27 AM PST by Buttons12
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To: Kaslin

That’s actually going “anti-Confederate”—seceding to form a socialist (failed!) state rather than a conservative Southron Nation!!

“Confederate” California consists of the inland areas that voted for Trump, and want—ironically enough—to stay with the USA!!!!


55 posted on 02/09/2017 7:12:59 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: central_va
I could care less if CA goes independent. Vaya con Dios Californians.

Monsieur , there is the matter of their bill.

The idea that they can leave and stick us with the bill of their decades of supporting Liberal policies is repugnant to me.

There is 20 trillion in acknowledged debt, and around 100 trillion in unfunded obligations. California has been very instrumental in running up these costs, so we should insist they pay their share rather than allowing them to just walk away from these expenses which they more than most, helped to create.

After they pay up, I can't see them gone fast enough.

56 posted on 02/09/2017 7:13:07 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Nothing would be better for America than for California to leave and take its 55 electoral votes with it. We would probably never have another libtard President again without those 55 automatic elector votes for people like Hitlery.”

Not necessarily. California has not been a deciding factor in a Presidential Election since 1916. Every candidate that has carried California since 1920, still would have either won (Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, FDR, Truman, Ike, LBJ, Nixon, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton, 0bama) or lost (Nixon in 1960, Ford, Gore, Kerry, Clinton) the election if California had gone the other way.


57 posted on 02/09/2017 7:13:24 AM PST by Angels27
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To: silverleaf

I want the kooks to have there own state. I want the divorce. I don’t want to beat my wife into submission, she can go. Good riddance.


58 posted on 02/09/2017 7:13:28 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

With those odds... I think California might need a few more men


59 posted on 02/09/2017 7:13:53 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Kaslin

“In eerie irony, liberal California is now mirror-imaging the arguments of reactionary South Carolina and other Southern states that vowed to go it alone in 1860 and 1861.”

Reactionary? The first CW had been brewing for a long time. California, like all liberals, is having a knee-jerk emotional temper tantrum.


60 posted on 02/09/2017 7:14:20 AM PST by CottonBall (Thank you, Julian)
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