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To: BarbM

You are wrong, Jesse was a UDT(Frogman), he never completed the extra 26 weeks of training that “Frogmen” had to endure before becoming a Navy “Seal”. The Navy Seals were not a unit until the mid 80’s, Jesse left the Navy in the mid 70’s.


25 posted on 01/09/2017 11:07:42 AM PST by cabbieguy ("I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up")
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To: cabbieguy

What’s that called... BUDS?
Or is BUDS the initial Trining down on the strand?
I remember dropping the LF once at Brown field.
The senior enlisted guy introduced himself as Bob to me.
Pretty cool community.


28 posted on 01/09/2017 11:19:46 AM PST by Proyecto Anonimo
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To: cabbieguy

“You are wrong, Jesse was a UDT(Frogman), he never completed the extra 26 weeks of training that “Frogmen” had to endure before becoming a Navy “Seal”. The Navy Seals were not a unit until the mid 80’s, Jesse left the Navy in the mid 70’s.”

JFK established Seal Team 1 and Seal Team 2 in 1962.

From NavySeals.com “In 1962, President Kennedy established SEAL Teams ONE and TWO from the existing UDT Teams to develop a Navy Unconventional Warfare capability. The Navy SEAL Teams were designed as the maritime counterpart to the Army Special Forces “Green Berets.” They deployed immediately to Vietnam to operate in the deltas and thousands of rivers and canals in Vietnam, and effectively disrupted the enemy’s maritime lines of communication.”


30 posted on 01/09/2017 11:28:58 AM PST by Ace the Biker
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To: cabbieguy
You are wrong, Jesse was a UDT(Frogman), he never completed the extra 26 weeks of training that “Frogmen” had to endure before becoming a Navy “Seal”. The Navy Seals were not a unit until the mid 80’s, Jesse left the Navy in the mid 70’s.

I wasn't in the Navy, much less the SEALS, but I did sort of look into this.

Wikipedia says that the Seals have existed since 1962. Of course Wikipedia has been wrong, so maybe that's the case here. But they go on to give the complete history of the first two SEAL teams, formed in 1962, and composed of all UDT (Underwater Demolition Team) trained sailors. They do agree on this second level of training at the time, SBI, or SEAL Basic Indoctrination.

It appears that sometime between their founding and now the UDT/BSI training was changed to the single training we are all familiar with from various movies (and the elite few are familiar with from actual experience) BUD/S.

About Ventura Wikipedia says this: "Ventura served in the United States Navy from December 1, 1969, to September 10, 1975, during the Vietnam War era. He graduated in BUD/S class 58 in December 1970[14] and was part of Underwater Demolition Team 12.[4][15][16][17][18]"

That seems particularly well footnoted, so I'm going to assume it it correct.

Moving to the US Navy SEAL home page they describe the BUD/S classes in some detail. It ends with this description of what happens upon graduation:

SEAL training ends with the formal BUD/S Class Graduation. Here the proud few in their dress Navy uniforms are recognized for their achievement in the presence of family and senior SEAL leaders. The Commanding Officers and senior enlisted advisors of the Naval Special Warfare Groups and SEAL Teams attend. The BUD/s graduates, as their newest Teammates, will be reminded of the special group they have entered, to be worthy of the sacrifices of the courageous Frogmen who came before them, and the great honor it is to serve as a U.S. Navy SEAL.

So it seems to me, that based on available public information your posting is incorrect:

Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck. I'd say he's a SEAL as the Navy defines it. He is also listed on the Wikipedia "List of Navy SEALs page with this explanation:

Jesse Ventura – BUD/S class 58, served on UDT-12 and Reserve SEAL Team 1. Former pro wrestler, governor of Minnesota. Currently hosts Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura

I hate fakes, especially military impostors. Even upgrading one's service / rank / branch / special forces accreditation is ugly and deserves only scorn, so if I'm wrong it's a pretty big deal that he's been faking it.

35 posted on 01/09/2017 2:50:07 PM PST by Jack Black (Dispossession is an obliteration of memory, of place, and of identity)
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