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Mr. President, Cancel the F-35
National Review ^ | 01/06/2017 | By Mike Fredenburg

Posted on 01/06/2017 7:07:49 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 01/06/2017 7:07:49 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Why do we even bother to trust Lockheed Martin ?

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/6839/the-navys-f-35c-has-a-major-nose-gear-problem

t gives pilots one hell of a ride down the catapult track.

More than a decade after the Lockheed Martin F-35 began flight testing, the Navy’s catapult launch and barrier recovery (CATOBAR) variant, the F-35C, remains mired with teething issues. Now, one problem appears to be more debilitating than previously realized, and it’s rearing its head at a critical phase of flight for any Navy fighter—the catapult launch.

The issue occurs when a lightly loaded F-35C’s landing gear nose strut is compressed while the jet throttles up, right before launch. As the catapult fires and the hold back bar is released, the jet is rapidly pulled forward, during which time the strut oscillates violently up and down. The bouncing continues as the aircraft proceeds down the catapult track at increasing speed.


2 posted on 01/06/2017 7:19:11 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Very compelling, imo.

Methinks two things: CIC Trump and SOD Mattis will take appropriate action, and maybe it’s time to short LMT.

These boys mean business, and are not to be fooled with.


3 posted on 01/06/2017 7:19:46 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think its a worthless turkey.


4 posted on 01/06/2017 7:44:26 AM PST by Daniel Ramsey (MAGA)
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To: SeekAndFind

This thing ain’t getting cancelled. Ever.

Too much invested, too much at stake.


5 posted on 01/06/2017 7:48:18 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SeekAndFind

I think the F-35 will be substantially cut back. We may see a major rebuild program for the AV-8B Harrier II and the USAF may get upgraded F-16’s (essentially using the radar from the F-35A and a derivative of the F-35A’s engine).


6 posted on 01/06/2017 7:49:04 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: SandRat
The issue occurs when a lightly loaded F-35C’s landing gear nose strut is compressed while the jet throttles up, right before launch. As the catapult fires and the hold back bar is released, the jet is rapidly pulled forward, during which time the strut oscillates violently up and down. The bouncing continues as the aircraft proceeds down the catapult track at increasing speed.

I've heard Lockheed Martin just needs another 2 or 3 years to fix the problem. (*Sheesh*. Why couldn't they employ a suspension lockout much like they do on mountain bikes to stop suspension oscillation.)

7 posted on 01/06/2017 7:53:47 AM PST by Flick Lives (Les Deplorables Triumphant)
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To: SeekAndFind

Do not stick to bad decision because it’s already cost too much


8 posted on 01/06/2017 7:56:39 AM PST by Spruce
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Because of schedule pressures and the imperative to maintain the illusion of progress, the decision was made to port 20 million lines of buggy, immature code to the new architecture and then use that code as the base for coding new significant functionality. This resulted in severe, ongoing problems with the F-35’s avionics, its sensor fusion, and other unresolved deficiencies. Many of these deficiencies are not scheduled to be corrected until 2021.

A software project where the deadline is 5 years in the future is a software project that will never be operational.

9 posted on 01/06/2017 7:57:20 AM PST by Flick Lives (Les Deplorables Triumphant)
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To: SeekAndFind

F-35 suffers from Congress as much as from the aerospace industry. There is no way that Lockheed, Boeing, or any of the builders would end up here had they had their own way.

But, to keep Congress critters happy, all sorts of compromises were made to keep the program going forward. While much of this article is 100% accurate, the conclusion about whether the F-35 is needed is really a military decision. Our forces are left with this program as their only option for fighting the next battles (Since the F-22 program was scuttled prematurely).

not the tool we would want, but our guys will make it work. Unfortunately though, more good guys are going to get killed than they would otherwise. We have bet the farm and young patriots’ lives on semi-stealth attack fighters that can counter drones and active air defenses. The Russians and Syrians saw how that worked a few months ago when F-22’s penetrated and struck targets undetected. Now, if only F-35’s could do the same. We’ll see.


10 posted on 01/06/2017 8:01:16 AM PST by oldplayer
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s by far the best plane out there for dogfighting and tactical bombing. Killing it after all this time when it’s finally starting to roll out is pure idiocy.


11 posted on 01/06/2017 8:02:58 AM PST by Monty22002
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Why roll out a plane that is simply too expensive to fly??

That is idiocy.


12 posted on 01/06/2017 8:17:15 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The F-35 was designed to fail. In the world of federal government military procurement that means mountains of money spread out over decades.


13 posted on 01/06/2017 8:22:54 AM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Flick Lives

I assume the jet could spit the shuttle without proper end speed??? Seems like an easy fix is to have a full bag of gas. But I wonder if that is heavy enough, maybe it needs external stores to reach optimum launch weight.

Problem with heavy cat shot is reduced service life or TBO as they say in GA.

A problem I see... We got away from SE airplanes after the A-4. Probably every navy pilot on this site who flew two engine airplanes has shut one down once in a career due to high oil temp, low oil pressure, FOD ingestion, looking for the upgraded landing grade at the end of a line period (wait did I say that out loud?).

My point, F35 as far as I can tell has one engine. There is no gliding of course to an aircraft carrier. Lessons learned from the 70s and 80s were not part if this plan.

The tailhook being engineered under the two main landing wheels also tells me that navy pilots didn’t have a say in the design. The wheels pushed the cross deck pendant (wire) down causing a hookskip. I think it has been fixed?


14 posted on 01/06/2017 8:24:33 AM PST by Proyecto Anonimo
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To: Monty22002

It’s by far the best plane out there for dogfighting and tactical bombing.

15 posted on 01/06/2017 8:34:18 AM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: Monty22002; SeekAndFind; PIF
"It’s by far the best plane out there for dogfighting and tactical bombing. Killing it after all this time when it’s finally starting to roll out is pure idiocy."

I'm an old Army guy, so far be it from me to feel schadenfreude when the Air Force & Navy f** up.
But they never hesitate to cancel Army projects that don't measure up -- does anybody remember the Crusader?


16 posted on 01/06/2017 8:38:08 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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The F-35 program showcases all that is wrong about our military’s vendor-dominated, crony-capitalist procurement system.

The F-35 program showcases all that is wrong about our politically-dominated, bureaucratic procurement system.

There, fixed it.

I am getting tired of ignorant attacks on the PRODUCERS in this country who are trying to meet the needs of our nation, when its the politicized procurement system that is the real problem. If you want to know why things cost so much, look at how ridiculous the customer requirements get, and how many times the goal post is moved during development.

Stop pointing at the contractor. The contractor is delivering what the govt asked for, even if it asked for a solid gold hammer. The contractor, in this case LM, is simply running a business, something Trump understands.

17 posted on 01/06/2017 8:42:41 AM PST by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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Way over promised, way under delivered, way way over budget.

It may meet promises some day after more billions are thrown at it.


18 posted on 01/06/2017 8:46:40 AM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: SandRat
Why do we even bother to trust Lockheed Martin ?

See my post 17.

19 posted on 01/06/2017 8:48:32 AM PST by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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“Very compelling, imo.”

Not really. Take a major program, dig up every action item or deficiency ever logged and then spice them up with negative language it will read like this. EVERY ONE.

P-51, F-4, you name it. Any program. If you dig up the list of EVERYTHING they ever had to improve/fix/upgrade and spice it up with this sort of writing you would think it was a death trap.


20 posted on 01/06/2017 8:56:13 AM PST by TalonDJ
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