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New Zealand meeting calls into question White House narrative on role in UN vote
The Jerusalem Post ^ | 12/24/2016 | Michael Wilner

Posted on 12/25/2016 6:18:39 AM PST by ducttape45

The US publicly told its partners on the Security Council that it would consider each draft resolution on its merit, but says that it never indicated how it would vote– up until the vote itself.

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration insists it was disciplined in its silence over how it would ultimately vote on resolutions related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that ultimately reached the UN Security Council, where it holds veto power.

Hours before such a vote was set to take place– on a resolution condemning Israel's settlement activity– one senior administration official told The Jerusalem Post that the president's team "was not involved in formulating the resolution, nor have we promoted it."

"We have not communicated to any UN Security Council members how the United States would vote if the resolution comes before the UN Security Council," the official said.

But the Israeli government has publicly accused the Obama administration of "colluding" with its drafters to ensure that the right resolution with just the right language came forward for a vote. The US publicly told its partners on the Security Council that it would consider each draft resolution on its merit, but says that it never indicated how it would vote– up until the vote itself, which took place on Friday afternoon. The US abstained, allowing the resolution to pass.

The Israeli government provided no clear evidence to back its claim that the Obama administration worked to promote the effort. But one public engagement by Secretary of State John Kerry last month may offer some clues as to how Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his government reached its conclusion. (Israel, Palestinian ambassadors to UN give speeches before vote on settlement resolution)

Kerry visited New Zealand on November 13, shortly after the US presidential election, and took part in "deep" conversation over how its government– which holds a non-permanent seat on the Security Council until the end of this calendar year– could engage in a UN-related initiative on the Middle East peace process.

"It is a conversation we are engaged in deeply and we've spent some time talking to Secretary Kerry about where the US might go on this," New Zealand's foreign minister, Murray McCully, told local reporters after the meeting, according to the New Zealand Herald. "It is something that is still in play."

"I think there are some very important decisions that the Obama administration is going to have to make in its lame-duck period on this issue," he added.

Egypt drafted the resolution that ultimately condemned Israel's settlement enterprise as an illegal operation contrary to the pursuit of peace with the Palestinians. The resolution also condemned incitement to violence by the Palestinian authorities.

The Egyptians coordinated on the language with the Palestinian Authority, whose chief negotiator, Saeb Erekat, met with Kerry at the State Department on December 12. Israeli officials believe it was at this meeting that Kerry first relayed the president's willingness to abstain.

The White House said on Friday that US President Barack Obama had not decided how to proceed until hours before the vote.

Last minute, however, the Egyptian government pulled its own draft– due to pressure from the Israeli government, according to Western diplomatic sources, and after President-elect Donald Trump called publicly and privately for the resolution to be scrapped.

The draft was then dusted off by New Zealand, which formally introduced the resolution for a vote.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Egypt; Israel; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 201611; 20161113; antarctica; backstabbers; collusion; donaldtrump; egypt; iran; israel; jerusalem; johnkerry; kerry; kerrytrip; letshavejerusalem; lurch; massachusetts; mohammedmorsi; newzealand; obama; southpole; trump; unitednations; waronterror
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To: ducttape45

Isreal should explode a test nuke...then demand a permanent seat in the UN security council...rules or no rules!


21 posted on 12/25/2016 7:10:40 AM PST by mdmathis6 (BEWARE THE ABORTION POLITICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!)
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To: ducttape45
I know why Obama hates Israel (muslim vs Jewish), but why does Kerry hate them so?

I don't see Kerry hating Israel, per se, but rather is totally self-loving and is in desperate search for his Nobel. I am sure he is astonished the Iran "deal" did not lock him in. He likely sees this as the adder that will be the icing on the cake.

Kerry is an appeaser, plain and simple. The Process is his lodestone as it appears to be for the entire Department of State. Israel's objections to being whittled down piece by piece are simply seen as irritants, stopping the formulaic process of crafting an agreement where one side gives up a real concession while the other balances it with an empty promise. On paper it sounds great and is considered a win but in reality that promise is never kept. Ever. History is replete with examples, with Neville Chamberlain serving as the poster boy.

Kerry does not understand that he stands in a long line of failed negotiators, ones who have "stood up" to Napoleon and Hitler, to name a few. Kerry is a vainglorious buffoon, to quote Mark Steyn.

22 posted on 12/25/2016 7:13:48 AM PST by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #MyPresident #MAGA)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

For pragmatic reasons? Heck he gave Iran how much?


23 posted on 12/25/2016 7:14:39 AM PST by bergmeid
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Lol. 40 billion is a fig leaf to make a group of Americans happy. Maybe their loyalties lie elsewhere and maybe next time Israel should get nothing.

Questioning the loyalties of American Christians who support Israel, and on FreeRepublic to boot ...

why are you on FreeRepublic ? Who did you support in the Presidential campaign ? These are the questions ...
24 posted on 12/25/2016 7:16:30 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Piranha
So now you are accusing “a group of Americans” of dual loyalties? That is the old anti-Semitic canard.

Well, the other poster said that 40 billion was to keep them happy.

25 posted on 12/25/2016 7:17:52 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Potheads vote Dem.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Questioning the loyalties of American Christians who support Israel,

Not at all. I don't question their loyalty to Israel.

26 posted on 12/25/2016 7:18:33 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Potheads vote Dem.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Yeah, that "anti-Israel posting history" goes way back. Almost 2 or 3 days.

What spirit is leading you, even on Christmas day, to post antisemitic comments ? Are you religious ? Are you progressive ?

27 posted on 12/25/2016 7:20:09 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: ducttape45

If we send any foreign aid to NZ, end it.


28 posted on 12/25/2016 7:20:33 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Not at all. I don't question their loyalty to Israel.

Perhaps you don't realize that is what your comments imply. The largest, and most influential, group that supports Israel in this country, or the entire world, are Christians who love the LORD Jesus Christ.
29 posted on 12/25/2016 7:21:33 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Twotone

Kerry’s daughter is married to an Iranian.

Does that influence his opinions?


30 posted on 12/25/2016 7:22:47 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

“maybe next time Israel should get nothing”

Well, at least you are not trolling the Ayn Rand thread anymore. The nonsense about her being a satanist was getting annoying.


31 posted on 12/25/2016 7:24:12 AM PST by Helicondelta (Deplorable)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Not at all. I don't question their loyalty to Israel.

Do you question their loyalty to the United States because they are Christians who have another King ?


32 posted on 12/25/2016 7:25:11 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Helicondelta
The nonsense about her being a satanist was getting annoying.

Ugly satanic hag was what I said. Try to be accurate.

33 posted on 12/25/2016 7:25:28 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Potheads vote Dem.)
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To: CondorFlight

Obama’s national security advisor is an Iranian. Did that influence his opinion?


34 posted on 12/25/2016 7:26:44 AM PST by Helicondelta (Deplorable)
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To: af_vet_1981
Do you question their loyalty to the United States because they are Christians who have another King ?

You are making an analogy between a foreign country, and Christ.

35 posted on 12/25/2016 7:27:30 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Potheads vote Dem.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
And....

Please flesh out your response...

As in do you approve of Obama's Israel tactics..over the last 8 years?

Do you approve of...Benjamin Netanyahu?

What say you?

36 posted on 12/25/2016 7:28:38 AM PST by Osage Orange (Cover up after cover up...OUR GOVERNMENT is OUT OF CONTROL)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you'd like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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37 posted on 12/25/2016 7:28:57 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: af_vet_1981
The largest, and most influential, group that supports Israel in this country,

Are fans of John Hagee.

38 posted on 12/25/2016 7:29:41 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Potheads vote Dem.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

And how much to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE,Libya,Yemen,Lebanon,the Palestinian Authority,etc etc?


39 posted on 12/25/2016 7:30:40 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Helicondelta

Do you now something about Susan Rice no one else knows?


40 posted on 12/25/2016 7:30:48 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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