Posted on 12/16/2016 2:00:16 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Abraham Lincolns election in 1860 led South Carolina to try to secede from the Union. Donald Trumps election last month has raised similar talk in California, known as the California Independence Campaign.
Billionaire activist Tom Steyer said in that aftermath of the election that, Its impossible to look at the Trump campaign and not see a direct threat to the civil liberties and dignity of California citizens.
The leftist anti-constitutionalist Jeff Rosen is also touting States Rights for the Left in a recent opinion piece.
California cant secede. The Civil War settled that. But there are other potential avenues by which the Golden State can leave the Union: unanimous consent, retrocession, and deannexation.
California might be able to exit theoretically and certainly could practically if nobody objected. Lincoln himself entertained this possibility in his first inaugural address. If the Union were but an association of States, in the nature of contract merely, he suggested, it could be peaceably unmade by unanimous consent of all the States.
Lincoln was speaking arguendo (for the sake of argument). He did not believe that the Union was a contract among the States. Even so, he recognized that he could not stop an illegal secession if his rightful masters, the American people, did not furnish the requisite means to stop secession.
Though President Obama would probably have held the door open had Texas tried to secede during his presidency, President-elect Trump is not likely to let California go in peace.
Another alternative is to let California go out the way she came in. The common historical view is that the United States conquered California (along with Texas and the rest of the Southwest) in the Mexican war of aggression of 1846-48. This is true as far as it goes, but incomplete.
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Thank you for posting. It’s good to see that someone has actually done his homework on the legal and constitutional issues involved.
Canada is not big enough for them
But I want them to go west, not east.
I like it!
Interesting read.
The other states may think it over and say: Hmmmm, why didn’t WE think of this?!
On the plus side, If California were to secede, democrats wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning another election forever.
They will shrivel up and die without water
By force of arms, if necessary.
All the traitors can head for the sun and fun in Mexico.
+1
A. If it is good enought for California, its good enough for Texas.
B. Texas would never divide into 5 states.
How about invading and downgrading to a territory responsible to the congress. As such, the citizens would not be allowed to vote and have no voting representatives.
The government would be headed by a viceroy
I live in California and would gladly give up Southern California to Mexico, Central California and Northern California as their own states except for the Middle Section including San Francisco and Sacramento corridor would be it’s own state. I would vote for that
Yup.
Cut off their water. See if they can grow kale in a desert.
California wants to leave? I say fine. They give up San Diego county, Orange County, Riverside county, San Bernadino county and Imperial county — which remains a state or the U.S.
Furthermore, all their corporations that started there lose all their IP, Copyrights and Trademarks, Hollywood drops all copyrights on films and music dating back more than 7 years.
Sure. Who doesn't trust a "billionaire activist"?
Though President Obama would probably have held the door open had Texas tried to secede during his presidency, President-elect Trump is not likely to let California go in peace.
Interesting hypothetical. Obama might well have wimped out if it came down to a matter of using force. But any president who presides over the dissolution of the union and the loss of a major part of the country is going to go down in history as a failure, so just about any US president would do what they could to prevent that from happening.
Seriously, start dividing up the nation and at some point the country becomes a second rate power and its fate falls into the hands of other, more united and determined nations.
That is a good point. How long do you think it would take for CA to begin evicting illegal aliens, homeless, and drug abusers when they have to begin paying all of the on their own dime.
Only cede those counties in CA that vote dem and keep the rest.
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